Rank this Defense

Archie Bunker · 04-03-2005, 02:49 PM

I just moved back home with my folks

so humor me for a second I am bored.

I am using 2 rumors that are floating about. Using the 2nd for Howard and the 4th for Surtain.

DE-Howard
DT-Dalton
DT-Sims
DE-Allen

OLB-Biesel
MLB-Bell
OLB-Fujita

CB-Surtain
CB-Warfield
FS-Wesley
SS-Knight

jspchief · 04-03-2005, 02:50 PM

They suck. They haven't stopped anyone.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-03-2005, 02:50 PM

TRR · 04-03-2005, 02:50 PM

I would rather have Sharper than Howard. I am of the belief that if we sign a DE, he will be competing with Jared Allen for the spot, and not Eric Hicks. That's why I am not to high on bringing in a DE.

Also, we will not get Surtain for a 4th.

jspchief · 04-03-2005, 02:50 PM

Wait, they're awesome...they haven't allowed a yard.

HolmeZz · 04-03-2005, 02:51 PM

Use our first rounder on an OLB. I don't want Beisel starting.

beer bacon · 04-03-2005, 02:51 PM

Voted 11-20. That LB core would still really hurt us.

cmh6476 · 04-03-2005, 02:53 PM

If this is the case we should use our first on Channing Crowder and start him over Beisel!

KCJake · 04-03-2005, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer baron

Voted 11-20. That LB core would still really hurt us.

Agreed. I could live with that D-line and that secondary, but Fujita/Biesel still worry me.

Archie Bunker · 04-03-2005, 02:59 PM

The LB corp worries me as much as the black hole at CB. I hope once the Chiefs get the CB problem solved they will move onto LB either in the draft or a Holdman, Polley, Simmons type. I just don't see Sharper coming here.

I used Fujita and Beisel because they are the only 2 LB the Chiefs have been linked to for obvious reasons.

The defense in the poll is not my dream defense trust me. Just a mildly realistic version.

Mr. Laz · 04-03-2005, 04:51 PM

sims hasn't shown jack ... both ends are pass rushing small guys

wesley hasn't played 1 down of free safety

our linebackers are bleh

warfield will get exposed as soon as he has a decent cornerback opposite him.

21-25

it's an improvement though

Spicy McHaggis · 04-03-2005, 04:56 PM

Fujita doesn't worry me if we have Bell and another solid guy for LB. If we start the season and Fuji is our 3rd best linebacker then we'll be alright. Asking him the be the number one guy w/ Beisel and Mitchell was too much last year.

Logical · 04-03-2005, 05:37 PM

11-20 IMO probably below 15, still that is a huge improvement over last year if it happens and should result in a minimum of 10 victories barring injury problems.

Mr. Laz · 04-03-2005, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

11-20 IMO probably below 15, still that is a huge improvement over last year if it happens and should result in a minimum of 10 victories barring injury problems.

just for the sake of discussion...

but how do you expect that kind of improvement when both defensive ends are smallish and would be susceptable to the run and with no good outside linebackers to back them up.

seems to me like that defense would give up runs on the corner by the mile

allen ---> beisel

howard ---> fujita

better up the middle of the defense... but weak on the edges

keg in kc · 04-03-2005, 05:50 PM

I don't know a whole lot about Howard since I don't watch the NFC (and I don't expect we're trading for him), but his bio reads 6'3, 275 pounds. I wouldn't call that "smallish". I'd call that prototypical. Much bigger than that and you're talking about a smallish defensive tackle type build, a guy who won't be able to get upfield against OTs. That's why I don't like the idea of throwing a 300 pounder out there, whether it's Browning or the Eddie Freeman experiment a couple of years back.

I will say, however, that any defense starting Monty Beisel has a gaping hole at linebacker.

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HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Use our first rounder on an OLB. I don't want Beisel starting.
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beer bacon WHAT Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10019545	Voted 11-20. That LB core would still really hurt us.
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Archie Bunker The Wait Is Over Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Random Small Town Casino cash: $2018978	The LB corp worries me as much as the black hole at CB. I hope once the Chiefs get the CB problem solved they will move onto LB either in the draft or a Holdman, Polley, Simmons type. I just don't see Sharper coming here. I used Fujita and Beisel because they are the only 2 LB the Chiefs have been linked to for obvious reasons. The defense in the poll is not my dream defense trust me. Just a mildly realistic version.
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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	sims hasn't shown jack ... both ends are pass rushing small guys wesley hasn't played 1 down of free safety our linebackers are bleh warfield will get exposed as soon as he has a decent cornerback opposite him. 21-25 it's an improvement though __________________
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Spicy McHaggis Keep 'er Movin' Join Date: Sep 2004 Casino cash: $9905359	Fujita doesn't worry me if we have Bell and another solid guy for LB. If we start the season and Fuji is our 3rd best linebacker then we'll be alright. Asking him the be the number one guy w/ Beisel and Mitchell was too much last year. __________________ “We want players who are big, strong, smart, fast, tough and disciplined,” Pioli said, finally bringing an end to the era of Chiefs executives who searched desperately for players who are small, weak, stupid, slow, fragile and unruly.
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Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	11-20 IMO probably below 15, still that is a huge improvement over last year if it happens and should result in a minimum of 10 victories barring injury problems.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I don't know a whole lot about Howard since I don't watch the NFC (and I don't expect we're trading for him), but his bio reads 6'3, 275 pounds. I wouldn't call that "smallish". I'd call that prototypical. Much bigger than that and you're talking about a smallish defensive tackle type build, a guy who won't be able to get upfield against OTs. That's why I don't like the idea of throwing a 300 pounder out there, whether it's Browning or the Eddie Freeman experiment a couple of years back. I will say, however, that any defense starting Monty Beisel has a gaping hole at linebacker.
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