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Old 04-19-2013, 04:50 PM   #1
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But it's OK to spend a high draft pick on a 29 year old guy that isn't capable of winning one either.
Who said it was "okay"?

That said, I do believe that most people on Chiefsplanet tend to overvalue draft picks. If you look at the history of the Chiefs second round picks over the past 20 years, you're looking at a virtual wasteland.

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Every year, the same bullshit.

This isn't the year. Next year's class is better.
Some years, that's true. Or did Jimmy Clausen suddenly become a superstar without anyone noticing? J.P. Losman? Jason Campbell? What the hell has Jay Cutler ever won? David Carr?

There is some truth to that mantra, whether you agree or not.

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30 years later, 20 of which without a playoff win, no one has learned a ****ing thing.
No one? Do you mean Clark Hunt and the Hunt family? Because last I checked, they're the people writing the checks.
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:58 PM   #2
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Who said it was "okay"?

That said, I do believe that most people on Chiefsplanet tend to overvalue draft picks. If you look at the history of the Chiefs second round picks over the past 20 years, you're looking at a virtual wasteland.
Because the organization has been run by dipshits?

Successful teams pull ****ing gems from the late rounds, we can't even get it right in the 2nd, where there's some R1 talent left over.

Carl/Pioli ****ups aren't a reason to give away valuable picks.
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:00 PM   #3
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Because the organization has been run by dipshits?

Successful teams pull ****ing gems from the late rounds, we can't even get it right in the 2nd, where there's some R1 talent left over.

Carl/***** ****ups aren't a reason to give away valuable picks.
I've stated repeatedly that I would LOVE for the Chiefs to grab Nassib, Bray, Barkley - whomever - in the second or third round and develop him.

But the Geno Mafia twists my words into "not wanting a QB". It's ****ing bullshit.
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:04 PM   #4
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I've stated repeatedly that I would LOVE for the Chiefs to grab Nassib, Bray, Barkley - whomever - in the second or third round and develop him.

But the Geno Mafia twists my words into "not wanting a QB". It's ****ing bullshit.
No offense, but because it's ****ing stupid.

Why take a less talented QB like Nassib or Bray when you can take the best QB in the class and develop him?

Pass on Geno or Barkley, (you're not getting Barkley in R2) but spend a pick on a guy that needs more work, and has a higher bust factor...

Makes zero sense.
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:07 PM   #5
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No offense, but because it's ****ing stupid.

Why take a less talented QB like Nassib or Bray when you can take the best QB in the class and develop him?

Pass on Geno or Barkley, (you're not getting Barkley in R2) but spend a pick on a guy that needs more work, and has a higher bust factor...

Makes zero sense.
Sorry, that's just the way I see it. I think a guy like Nassib or Barkley or Bray, under the tuteledge of Andy Ried for a few years, would likely pay more dividends than drafting Geno Smith at 1.1 and forcing him to start from Day One.
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:10 PM   #6
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Sorry, that's just the way I see it. I think a guy like Nassib or Barkley or Bray, under the tuteledge of Andy Ried for a few years, would likely pay more dividends than drafting Geno Smith at 1.1 and forcing him to start from Day One.
who had said start Geno day one here?


Everyone in this thread understands Alex is going to start this year.


You are making an argument that doesn't exist
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:11 PM   #7
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who had said start Geno day one here?


Everyone in this thread understands Alex is going to start this year.


You are making an argument that doesn't exist
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:11 PM   #8
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Sorry, that's just the way I see it. I think a guy like Nassib or Barkley or Bray, under the tuteledge of Andy Ried for a few years, would likely pay more dividends than drafting Geno Smith at 1.1 and forcing him to start from Day One.
Jesus Christ, dude - he wouldn't start from Day One. They wasted a pick on Alex Smith.

He can sit for a year. Wouldn't be the first QB taken high in the draft to do so.

If you're going to develop a guy, develop the BEST guy. Not some slapdick.
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:11 PM   #9
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No offense, but because it's ****ing stupid.

Why take a less talented QB like Nassib or Bray when you can take the best QB in the class and develop him?

Pass on Geno or Barkley, (you're not getting Barkley in R2) but spend a pick on a guy that needs more work, and has a higher bust factor...

Makes zero sense.
This quarterback class is terrible!

No QB worth No. 1 overall!

Better off spending No. 32 overall on the 4th or 5th guy!

Better off spending No. 61 overall on the 7th or 8th best guy!
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Old 04-19-2013, 06:33 PM   #10
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No offense, but because it's ****ing stupid.

Why take a less talented QB like Nassib or Bray when you can take the best QB in the class and develop him?

Pass on Geno or Barkley, (you're not getting Barkley in R2) but spend a pick on a guy that needs more work, and has a higher bust factor...

Makes zero sense.
With all due respect, I'd think that you'd agree that often times, the first QB off the board isn't necessarily the best in any given class, right?

You mentioned Locker and Ponder. Well, Gabbert is crap as well, yet the best QB outside of Cam Newton, is Andy Dalton. Right?

If the Chiefs take Geno Smith, I'll fully back that decision. But if they don't, I won't lose any sleep. As I mentioned, I'd love to see them grab Barkley, Nassib, Bray or even Dysert as a developmental and hopefully, QBOTF.

I'm not and have never been Anti-first round QB and to even imply such a thing is a gross mis-characterization.
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But the Geno Mafia twists my words into "not wanting a QB". It's ****ing bullshit.
I'm not sure they can stop doing it. I think it's a part of their blood oath.
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