Chiefs Props to CP!!! We essentially got 2 1st rounders for JA! - Page 7

**DaKCMan AP** · 04-23-2008, 05:37 AM

We received the Vikings 1st round pick #17 overall and BOTH of their 3rd round picks (#73 and #82).

Now, follow along here:

If you take the draft value chart, the combined value of the two 3rd round picks is 405 pts which is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round this year.

Now, a 1st round pick NEXT YEAR (2009) is equivalent to a 2nd round pick THIS YEAR (2008), meaning the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009.

Strictly from a draft value chart standard, we received the #17 overall pick in 2008 and the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009.

Just giving credit where credit is due, and we are in great position now (if our draft board is setup correctly - a big if) to get SEVEN (7) of the top 100 players in the draft.

**DaKCMan AP** · 04-23-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

No, Dale Carter was way better than Jared Allen.

Dale Carter was Defensive Rookie of the Year in 2002, a 4x Pro-Bowl selection (1994-1997) and a 4x All-Pro (1994-1997) before screwing off with drugs in 1998.

**HemiEd** · 04-23-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

It doesn't have anything to do with draft percentage. It has to do with you acting like comparing a good player to a legendary one is going to fly. It isn't. Hell, if you don't think the team can build a team through the draft, then you must be pretty ****ing stupid to waste your time paying any attention to it.

Oh go **** yourself. You IGNORED the point and are nitpicking at a detail. I have been paying attention to it for a long time, and learn from the history.
DT was legendary yes, and very much on the decline before his passing. JA is the best defensive player since him, without question and does not have 10 years in the NFL.

I did not want this rebuilding with Herm at the helm, but am still paying attention.

**HemiEd** · 04-23-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Why do any of them have to be of Allen's caliber? (and that in itself is debatable)

Three solid starters at (insert positions here) will do more for the rebirth of this franchise than Jared Allen could possibly do by himself.

So how many solid starters has Herm gleaned from his 3rd round picks so far? 2nd?

**HemiEd** · 04-23-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

No, Dale Carter was way better than Jared Allen.

**DaKCMan AP** · 04-23-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

So how many solid starters has Herm gleaned from his 3rd round picks so far? 2nd?

How dare we give them 2-3 years to become solid starters. I mean, Jared Allen was an all-pro already his rookie year!

DJJasonp · 04-23-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

True, it is partly CP's doing that Allen did not want to remain here. However, I can understand WHY CP would be somewhat hesitant to give a guy $72 million the same year he's getting punished for his 2nd DUI.

However, what's done is done there and if you look at it as what it's been this entire year - Allen wanted out - CP did a great job at getting excellent compensation.

I'd give props to Carl.....only if he would have done the same for Larry Johnson.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-23-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

So how many solid starters has Herm gleaned from his 3rd round picks so far? 2nd?

It's been TWO YEARS.

How do you evaluate a draft class in less than two years?

Again, people are letting their hate for Herm and Peterson cloud the issue.

We have 6 of the first 82 picks in the draft.

It's one of the deepest drafts on record at positions we desperately need.

This draft class will do more for the rebirth of the Kansas City Chiefs than Jared Allen alone could ever do.

**HemiEd** · 04-23-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

This draft class will do more for the rebirth of the Kansas City Chiefs than Jared Allen alone could ever do.

The Chiefs didn't get 13 picks for Jared Allen, they got the second of their 1st round picks and a couple of the thirds. If I understand correctly, the 6ths were swapped to give Minnesota better position in that round.

So the Jared Allen trade is mid first and most of two thirds, nothing more.

The way I see it, if the Chiefs draft JA's replacement with the #5 pick, they lost ground.

Oh boy, bring on the Herm is a draft genious crew, he has 13 picks! Medlock anyone?

Brock · 04-23-2008, 02:28 PM

He only looks like a draft day genius because he replaced a complete moron in that regard.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-23-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

The Chiefs didn't get 13 picks for Jared Allen, they got the second of their 1st round picks and a couple of the thirds. If I understand correctly, the 6ths were swapped to give Minnesota better position in that round.

So the Jared Allen trade is mid first and most of two thirds, nothing more.

The way I see it, if the Chiefs draft JA's replacement with the #5 pick, they lost ground.

Oh boy, bring on the Herm is a draft genious crew, he has 13 picks! Medlock anyone?

What you're missing Ed, is that if Chris Long or Vernon Gholston is there at 5, they are likely the Chiefs BPA, and they would have taken them REGARDLESS of whether Allen was here or not.

And people would bitch about getting an elite talent.

Just like people are going to bitch about getting that same elite talent if we're "replacing" Allen.

To think this trade is only a success if we don't use the 5th pick on a DE?

Insane.

**HemiEd** · 04-23-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

What you're missing Ed, is that if Chris Long or Vernon Gholston is there at 5, they are likely the Chiefs BPA, and they would have taken them REGARDLESS of whether Allen was here or not.

And people would bitch about getting an elite talent.

Just like people are going to bitch about getting that same elite talent if we're "replacing" Allen.

To think this trade is only a success if we don't use the 5th pick on a DE?

Insane.

I read it different, but hey I guess that is what makes it fun. Prior to this trade, I think they might have gone several different directions. Now, they are probably locked on to VG IMO.

Heck, according to some on here, he is the best player in the draft. Could be, I don't know, but it has been 20 years since a top 5 pick.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-23-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I read it different, but hey I guess that is what makes it fun. Prior to this trade, I think they might have gone several different directions. Now, they are probably locked on to VG IMO.

Heck, according to some on here, he is the best player in the draft. Could be, I don't know, but it has been 20 years since a top 5 pick.

I'm looking at this completely different than most people.

Before the trade, there was a real threat that they'd make a huge mistake and reach for a offensive lineman, based on need, passing on better players like Long and Gholston. Even though DE was (and obviously still is) a huge need with only Hali and Allen on the roster.

Now, I feel this all but forces them to take the best player available.

I'd be shocked if either Long or Gholston isn't there.

And in the end, getting the best player at the 5 slot is more important to me than worrying about whether we're using a pick to replace Allen.

I'm betting they draft 2-3 DE's in this draft. Might as well get the best.

**alanm** · 04-23-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You didn't just compare Derrick Thomas to Jared Allen....jesus....

Jared hasn't dominated games like Thomas did. He's got the potential to but it seems in retrospect that he dominated 1st halves of games. He got his 2 sacks and eased off. You can go back and look at most of the games and find that to be the case. Just saying.
And just saying I wish he were still a Chief.

**HemiEd** · 04-23-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

He only looks like a draft day genius because he replaced a complete moron in that regard.

Yep, that moron spent his second 4th on the guy, that just turned into a 1st and two 3rds for Hermie.

Waiting on the "he was only drafted to be a long snapper" bull shit.

Sure-Oz · 04-23-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Jared hasn't dominated games like Thomas did. He's got the potential to but it seems in retrospect that he dominated 1st halves of games. He got his 2 sacks and eased off. You can go back and look at most of the games and find that to be the case. Just saying.
And just saying I wish he were still a Chief.

JA couldn't touch DT...apparently he had zero 4th qtr sacks last year?

04-23-2008, 05:37 AM
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $6714952	Props to CP!!! We essentially got 2 1st rounders for JA! We received the Vikings 1st round pick #17 overall and BOTH of their 3rd round picks (#73 and #82). Now, follow along here: If you take the draft value chart, the combined value of the two 3rd round picks is 405 pts which is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round this year. Now, a 1st round pick NEXT YEAR (2009) is equivalent to a 2nd round pick THIS YEAR (2008), meaning the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009. Strictly from a draft value chart standard, we received the #17 overall pick in 2008 and the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009. Just giving credit where credit is due, and we are in great position now (if our draft board is setup correctly - a big if) to get SEVEN (7) of the top 100 players in the draft.
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