Chiefs Respect

tmax63 · 04-19-2008, 07:36 AM

In reading all the threads and drivel concerning Jared Allen I see a common theme in almost all of them. The pro-trade side seems to think that KC didn't really disrepect JA and that he brought it on himself and had unrealistic expectations after his actions, and the anti-trade side who feels the Chiefs have/are disrespecting JA by not paying whatever it takes to keep him and aren't respecting the fans by trying to keep him. This difference in opinion among the board begs these questions. What does respect mean to you? Are the Chiefs disrespecting JA? If respect is lost, can you get it back?
Seems like more people die today than in the past over feelings of disrepect and I wonder if the meaning of respect is changing.

Molitoth · 04-19-2008, 08:53 AM

Carl doesn't want to make the same mistake that he did with LJ. Once players get thier big checks, performance tends to drop.

Brock · 04-19-2008, 09:04 AM

My personal experience is that giving money to drunks and drug addicts is a bad idea. They'll disappoint every time.

keg in kc · 04-19-2008, 09:09 AM

I think there's also a question of whether people believe the respect his on-field behavior earns is enough to wash away the stink of his off-field problems. It's performance versus the potential of suspension.

But I don't think it's any kind of slant to JA or the fans that this is happening. It's just business, and I think this was inevitable going all the way to last year, when he didn't get a big contract while he was suspended. So for me, it's an issue of pragmatism. The trade's going to happen, so I don't waste time thinking about which side's right and which one wrong. I just deal with the reality of the trade and will formulate my opinion on the success or failure of it based on the compensation the team receives.

Tiger's Fan · 04-19-2008, 09:18 AM

Around this same time last year, everyone was clamoring for JA to prove himself off and on the field before resigning him to a lucrative contract. It seems to me that he did just that, improving his performance on the field, and staying out of trouble off it. Now that we're here again, a year later, it seems most want to just unload him. Perhaps some don't recognize an elite talent when they're confronted with one. I personally don't think theres one player in this draft that will have the affect on the field that JA does. A known commodidy like JA can't easily be replaced. Yet people have faith that a moron like Herm Edwards has the mental capacity to do just that in the draft. And the hypocricy of people in regards to drinking and driving is hilarious. I don't drink anymore myself, but I've had a DUI in the past, and was labeled an "alcoholic" because of it. I didn't attend meetings, make an oath of sobriety, or have myself commited because of it. Yet here I am, a little older, and wiser. And still not an alcoholic. Letting JA leave is just another in a long line of Carl Peterson collosal ****ups.

Brock · 04-19-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

And the hypocricy of people in regards to drinking and driving is hilarious. I don't drink anymore myself, but I've had a DUI in the past, and was labeled an "alcoholic" because of it. I didn't attend meetings, make an oath of sobriety, or have myself commited because of it. Yet here I am, a little older, and wiser. And still not an alcoholic. Letting JA leave is just another in a long line of Carl Peterson collosal ****ups.

If you quit drinking after one DUI, you're probably not an alcoholic. What if it took you three times to allegedly quit? What if your employer didn't want you around because of your drinking problem? What if your drinking caused you to be drafted in the 4th round instead of the second, and you still didn't quit? Would you consider yourself an alcoholic at that point?

I also love how the people who drink and drive don't believe that anyone else has never done it.

nychief · 04-19-2008, 09:26 AM

sell high

StcChief · 04-19-2008, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief

sell high

exactly.... now is the time.

EyePod · 04-19-2008, 09:30 AM

I say that with the recent problems with lots of big name players (Vick, Pacman), NFL teams are very worried about their own players. Jared should just take the 1 year deal from the franchise and then if there are no problems next season, then we can talk about a huge contract the season after. I think he is being unreasonable because he screwed up. This season was tainted because of the missed two games (of which we lost). The fans who are saying that the Chiefs aren't respecting JA forget about the fact that we lost those two games. It's not about respect either way. Jared ****ed up and he needs to pay his penance.

milkman · 04-19-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

Around this same time last year, everyone was clamoring for JA to prove himself off and on the field before resigning him to a lucrative contract. It seems to me that he did just that, improving his performance on the field, and staying out of trouble off it. Now that we're here again, a year later, it seems most want to just unload him. Perhaps some don't recognize an elite talent when they're confronted with one. I personally don't think theres one player in this draft that will have the affect on the field that JA does. A known commodidy like JA can't easily be replaced. Yet people have faith that a moron like Herm Edwards has the mental capacity to do just that in the draft. And the hypocricy of people in regards to drinking and driving is hilarious. I don't drink anymore myself, but I've had a DUI in the past, and was labeled an "alcoholic" because of it. I didn't attend meetings, make an oath of sobriety, or have myself commited because of it. Yet here I am, a little older, and wiser. And still not an alcoholic. Letting JA leave is just another in a long line of Carl Peterson collosal ****ups.

You're related to KCChiefsfan88, aren't you?

keg in kc · 04-19-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

Around this same time last year, everyone was clamoring for JA to prove himself off and on the field before resigning him to a lucrative contract. It seems to me that he did just that, improving his performance on the field, and staying out of trouble off it. Now that we're here again, a year later, it seems most want to just unload him..

I don't think it's a matter of whether he's proven himself. The problem is that Jared apparently decided a year ago that he wasn't signing. Sour grapes because he didn't get a new deal, and because Peterson had the temerity to call him an "at risk player" (which he was, at the time). So this isn't a new issue that popped up overnight, and it isn't as much about the Chiefs letting it go, or not wanting to pay him, as it is Allen wanting to go.

I think you can debate the franchise responsibility for not paying him last year and generating this issue to start with, but the question now is really one of whether it's the right move to try to acquire picks for a player who openly refuses to sign with them long term. It's a matter of whether you think it's smarter to franchise him repeatedly or to trade him and get maximum value, in either case acknowledging that he simply doesn't want to play for you, or cooperate in any way as far as negotiations go.

brent102fire · 04-19-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Carl doesn't want to make the same mistake that he did with LJ. Once players get thier big checks, performance tends to drop.

LJ's performance didn't drop because he was less dedicated or because he got some extra $$$$. His performance dropped because he was given an old, dilapidated, makeshift O-line to work with. No one in the NFL or college could have run any better behind the O-line he was given last year. I don't fault LJ for anything.

stevieray · 04-19-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by brent102fire

LJ's performance didn't drop because he was less dedicated or because he got some extra $$$$. His performance dropped because he was given an old, dilapidated, makeshift O-line to work with. No one in the NFL or college could have run any better behind the O-line he was given last year. I don't fault LJ for anything.

Kolby Smith was able to...

**Bugeater** · 04-19-2008, 09:54 AM

Respect is a privilege, not a right, it needs to be earned. A lot of people don't seem to understand that.

**dirk digler** · 04-19-2008, 09:56 AM

I understand both sides of this issue and the business side says trade him and get what you can.

But on the flip side I can sympathize with Jared because I also believe strongly in loyalty and when someone promises you something and then decides not to honor that then that is a question of integrity and honesty.

The Chiefs have neither.

04-19-2008, 07:36 AM
tmax63 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $3130400	Respect In reading all the threads and drivel concerning Jared Allen I see a common theme in almost all of them. The pro-trade side seems to think that KC didn't really disrepect JA and that he brought it on himself and had unrealistic expectations after his actions, and the anti-trade side who feels the Chiefs have/are disrespecting JA by not paying whatever it takes to keep him and aren't respecting the fans by trying to keep him. This difference in opinion among the board begs these questions. What does respect mean to you? Are the Chiefs disrespecting JA? If respect is lost, can you get it back? Seems like more people die today than in the past over feelings of disrepect and I wonder if the meaning of respect is changing.
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04-19-2008, 08:53 AM	#2
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04-19-2008, 09:04 AM	#3
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04-19-2008, 09:09 AM	#4
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I think there's also a question of whether people believe the respect his on-field behavior earns is enough to wash away the stink of his off-field problems. It's performance versus the potential of suspension. But I don't think it's any kind of slant to JA or the fans that this is happening. It's just business, and I think this was inevitable going all the way to last year, when he didn't get a big contract while he was suspended. So for me, it's an issue of pragmatism. The trade's going to happen, so I don't waste time thinking about which side's right and which one wrong. I just deal with the reality of the trade and will formulate my opinion on the success or failure of it based on the compensation the team receives.
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04-19-2008, 09:18 AM	#5
Tiger's Fan Veteran Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ks Casino cash: $10004900	Around this same time last year, everyone was clamoring for JA to prove himself off and on the field before resigning him to a lucrative contract. It seems to me that he did just that, improving his performance on the field, and staying out of trouble off it. Now that we're here again, a year later, it seems most want to just unload him. Perhaps some don't recognize an elite talent when they're confronted with one. I personally don't think theres one player in this draft that will have the affect on the field that JA does. A known commodidy like JA can't easily be replaced. Yet people have faith that a moron like Herm Edwards has the mental capacity to do just that in the draft. And the hypocricy of people in regards to drinking and driving is hilarious. I don't drink anymore myself, but I've had a DUI in the past, and was labeled an "alcoholic" because of it. I didn't attend meetings, make an oath of sobriety, or have myself commited because of it. Yet here I am, a little older, and wiser. And still not an alcoholic. Letting JA leave is just another in a long line of Carl Peterson collosal ****ups.
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04-19-2008, 09:30 AM	#9
EyePod Forgetting 2013 season end. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Around Casino cash: $9995735	I say that with the recent problems with lots of big name players (Vick, Pacman), NFL teams are very worried about their own players. Jared should just take the 1 year deal from the franchise and then if there are no problems next season, then we can talk about a huge contract the season after. I think he is being unreasonable because he screwed up. This season was tainted because of the missed two games (of which we lost). The fans who are saying that the Chiefs aren't respecting JA forget about the fact that we lost those two games. It's not about respect either way. Jared ****ed up and he needs to pay his penance. __________________ I did not believe in Mahomes until week 1. I've been woke ever since. I'm on board this freight train.
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04-19-2008, 09:54 AM	#14
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04-19-2008, 09:56 AM	#15
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $3124644	I understand both sides of this issue and the business side says trade him and get what you can. But on the flip side I can sympathize with Jared because I also believe strongly in loyalty and when someone promises you something and then decides not to honor that then that is a question of integrity and honesty. The Chiefs have neither.
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