A trade up scenario with Detroit - Page 4

Coogs · 03-28-2010, 11:18 AM

Based off of this article from the Detroit Free Press...

http://www.freep.com/article/2010032...-to-trade-back

... could this team be us?

#5 and Dorsey to the Lions.
#2 and #35 to the Chiefs.

Lions get a much needed DT that fits their system better than Dorsey fits ours, and they get their LT at #5 to protect Stafford.

Chiefs get Suh at #2 who is a better fit for our defensive system, and picks #35, #36, and #50 in round two.

**DeezNutz** · 03-28-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Just speculating on a lazy Sunday afternoon.

Coogs · 03-28-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I think this whole trade up scenario is a fantasy.

However, I think Suh as a 5 tech DE would be the prototype for the redefining of the position.

Could be a fantasy. I was just dinking around the web, so I thought I would run over to the Detroit Newspaper to see what they were tossing out there. I ran across this article, which was last week sometime. Made me wonder who they were talking about, and if it was us. If it was/is us, what would we be targeting? Just kind of thinking out loud was all.

DTLB58 · 03-28-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

from what I've been "hearing" Weis is really pimping Clausen to be the pick because he doesn't think Cassel is a franchise QB. In other words he wants his guy.

Then I think we gotta move up, cause imo Shanny isn't rebuilding that team with Jason Campbell. He will take Clausen in my mind, no doubt.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-28-2010, 08:32 PM

I would make this trade in a second.

I think it also indicates that we are taking Suh and not Claussen.

Knowing that TW is on the Claussen bandwagon just might cause me to re-evalaute my positive feelings toward JC.

Chiefshrink · 03-28-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Could be a fantasy. I was just dinking around the web, so I thought I would run over to the Detroit Newspaper to see what they were tossing out there. I ran across this article, which was last week sometime. Made me wonder who they were talking about, and if it was us. If it was/is us, what would we be targeting? Just kind of thinking out loud was all.

I think your logic is right on that it could very well be us and we could be interested in Suh or Clausen depending if Weis is waving his "woodie" for Clausen in Pioli's face everyday. But I don't see Pioli drafting Clausen just for the fact it is a HUGE admission that bringing in Cassel was a mistake not to mention the $$$.

IMO I think Pioli is playing poker(kicking tires for now)just to see what he "might" get if he moved up. But more importantly I think he knows the "draft saavy respect" he has from around the NFL and will use this as a way to "manipulate" other teams. Either he stays put and gets the player he wants to fall by his "kicking tires" or get a team that is "antsy" to move up and we swap positions and gain an extra pick knowing we can still get our player.

Holmgren's comment IMO was a bad "poker play". I don't believe him for one second.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-28-2010, 08:33 PM

We essentially would be swapping Dorsey for Suh and then getting an additional 2nd rounder.

milkman · 03-28-2010, 08:35 PM

Yeah.

Pioli really showed his draft savvy last year.

Chiefshrink · 03-28-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Yeah.

Pioli really showed his draft savvy last year.

Still remains to be seen because IMO he inherits Carl's lack of talented players, lack of draft picks(no stockpiling which is the Patriot way so that you can move at anytime whether it be the draft or trades). I get your point that Pioli traded a 2nd for Cassel and that 1/2 this board thinks Cassel is a bust but I am not one of those. TJ is still a wait and see as well.

Chiefshrink · 03-28-2010, 08:50 PM

My point is just give Pioli 2yrs time to position himself for what I see as a helluva 3rd yr season with his 2nd season(this yr)being a significant improvement is all I am trying to say.

**Gadzooks** · 03-28-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Yeah.

Pioli really showed his draft savvy last year.

C'mon Milkman. You know Pioli's got a 30 year plan/philosophy . This thing can't be fixed ovenight.

booger · 03-28-2010, 09:02 PM

Lions squeezed Falcons into taking less for Chris Houston
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2010 10:07 AM ET
Earlier this month, the Falcons shipped cornerback Chris Houston, a failed second-round pick in 2007, to the Lions.

The Falcons announced that, in exchange, they'd receive Detroit's sixth-round pick in the 2010 draft, along with a swap of fifth-round selections.

A league source tells us, however, that the ultimate price was even lower than that.

Per the source, the Lions ultimately gave up a sixth-round pick this year and a conditional seventh-round pick in 2011. The swap of fifth-round selections has been scuttled.

So what happened? According to a separate source, the Lions contacted the Falcons and said that Houston could not pass the physical imposed by Lions' doctors. We're told that the Lions also said that perhaps Houston could pass the physical if the terms of the deal were adjusted.

And so the terms of the deal were adjusted, and Houston passed the physical.

Though the Falcons could have scrapped the trade and kept Chris Houston, they opted to process, and they probably will be reluctant to do a deal with Detroit the next time an opportunity to do so arises.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...chris-houston/

Detroits leadership (HC and GM) are pretty inexperienced. Schwartz may turn out to be a good coach or not but he sure seems pretty arogant. Mayhew is pretty lucky he got that job as a promotion from him working under and hired by Millen. Plus i've read a few articles myself since goonther ended up there and he is doing his usual butt in and let his voice be heard throughout the personel matters. Articles about him watching hours of tape w/ the GM etc. All he has to do is phone Carl and see how many ways CP got screwed and pass it along for them to use.

The Dorsey to Det deal has been a hot topic there ever since the season ended even before Crennel was abord that KC was unhappy with him and he didn't like the 34.

That said i'm not attached to Dorsey for the right price but i also don't see why they wouldn't want Suh. Not that big of difference IMO.

**BossChief** · 03-28-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I think this whole trade up scenario is a fantasy.

However, I think Suh as a 5 tech DE would be the prototype for the redefining of the position.

Echoes my thoughts exactly.

Suh started dominating halfway through his junior year when they changed him from a 1 gap defender to a 2 gap. That is what he would be doing as a 5-tec and his skill set is perfect for the scheme.

Hali rushing off Suhs shoulder would be special and he could help cover up for his liability against the run as well. That would make the job of our NT MUCH easier.

Its a ****ing shame that we drafted Tyson last year, I would be all for moving up to draft Suh. The thought of a player like him on our defense is very appealing.

People that say stuff like "all he would be doing is absorbing blockers" havent seen the man beat triple teams and consistent double teams over the last year and a half as a 2 gap defender.

Reggie White immediately comes to mind watching the kid play the game and those are the rarest of rare players to find in the NFL. Dominant against the run and pass. A player that transcends his position and keys elite defenses.

Rarer than good qbs are.

The thought of us trading to select him is a pipe dream though.

I think Glenn will be someone that surprises the hell out of all of us next year, same with Tyson. I think these guys are gonna respond to Romeo Crennel in a very big way.

Honestly, we should just get used to the thought of taking Dan Williams in the first because that is whats gonna happen.

Ralphy Boy · 03-28-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think Suh will be a rare talent in the NFL, but not in a 3-4, 5 tech position. Suh needs to go to a 4-3 team that will utilize his talents, not a 5 tech position where his primary job will be to swallow blockers while the linebackers are designed to make the plays.

This trade scenario make little sense for Detroit in a deep, rich draft. Suh to the Chiefs makes even less sense.

Furthermore, there's no way in hell I'd take Cody. He's slimming down (for money) and he's known to take plays off. He's just not the type of guy I'd take in the second round of this draft.

FWIW, a defensive line of Jackson, Dan Williams and Glenn Dorsey is much more appealing from where I sit.

Although like many others, wish they'd just go back to the 4-3.

Agree on most everything though I don't think Seymour, his 5 pro bowls and 3 Superbowl rings would agree with that statement.

I don't see us moving back to a 4-3, though I wish most teams would. The benefit that the Steelers & Pats realized when they were some of the few teams running it was the easier availability to find players to fit it. Given the reach for TJ last year, that is obviously no longer the case.

Cody scares me in a great many ways and as I mentioned earlier I think he'd die in training camp.

**doomy3** · 03-28-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

We essentially would be swapping Dorsey for Suh and then getting an additional 2nd rounder.

No, we wouldn't. We'd be trading our #5 in the deal too.

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-28-2010, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

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Reggie White immediately comes to mind watching the kid play the game and those are the rarest of rare players to find in the NFL. Dominant against the run and pass. A player that transcends his position and keys elite defenses.

Hold it there, Reggie was the greatest defensive linemen to play the game, the guy could play any position on the line for the 4-3 or 3-4.

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03-28-2010, 08:32 PM	#49
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9373645	I would make this trade in a second. I think it also indicates that we are taking Suh and not Claussen. Knowing that TW is on the Claussen bandwagon just might cause me to re-evalaute my positive feelings toward JC. __________________
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03-28-2010, 09:02 PM	#56
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $1428550	Lions squeezed Falcons into taking less for Chris Houston Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2010 10:07 AM ET Earlier this month, the Falcons shipped cornerback Chris Houston, a failed second-round pick in 2007, to the Lions. The Falcons announced that, in exchange, they'd receive Detroit's sixth-round pick in the 2010 draft, along with a swap of fifth-round selections. A league source tells us, however, that the ultimate price was even lower than that. Per the source, the Lions ultimately gave up a sixth-round pick this year and a conditional seventh-round pick in 2011. The swap of fifth-round selections has been scuttled. So what happened? According to a separate source, the Lions contacted the Falcons and said that Houston could not pass the physical imposed by Lions' doctors. We're told that the Lions also said that perhaps Houston could pass the physical if the terms of the deal were adjusted. And so the terms of the deal were adjusted, and Houston passed the physical. Though the Falcons could have scrapped the trade and kept Chris Houston, they opted to process, and they probably will be reluctant to do a deal with Detroit the next time an opportunity to do so arises. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...chris-houston/ Detroits leadership (HC and GM) are pretty inexperienced. Schwartz may turn out to be a good coach or not but he sure seems pretty arogant. Mayhew is pretty lucky he got that job as a promotion from him working under and hired by Millen. Plus i've read a few articles myself since goonther ended up there and he is doing his usual butt in and let his voice be heard throughout the personel matters. Articles about him watching hours of tape w/ the GM etc. All he has to do is phone Carl and see how many ways CP got screwed and pass it along for them to use. The Dorsey to Det deal has been a hot topic there ever since the season ended even before Crennel was abord that KC was unhappy with him and he didn't like the 34. That said i'm not attached to Dorsey for the right price but i also don't see why they wouldn't want Suh. Not that big of difference IMO. __________________ 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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