Chiefs Linebacker Corp - Page 11

royr17 · 04-29-2005, 08:04 PM

Its loaded this year with talent. At Outside Linebacker we have Scott Fujita, Shawn Barber, Derrick Johnson, Keyaron Fox, and Quinton Caver.

At Middle Linebacker we have Kendrell Bell, Mike Maslowski, Kawika Mitchell, Rich Scanlon, and James "Boomer" Grigsby.

Derrick Johnson is goin to end up bein a steal for the chiefs I feel, and im concerned about the ROLB position.

Now I feel our starters are goin to be Derrick Johnson at LOLB, and Kendrell Bell at MLB. But not sure about the ROLB position yet.

Last year when we drafted Keyaron Fox, Gun had said he reminded him of a young Donnie Edwards. Now im not saying he is. But I pulled up some info on this kid and of 35 or 45 games he started he had a total of 376 career tackles.

Now if you ask me thats a pretty good total. But if I had to choose between who would start I would love a LB core of DJ, Bell, and Fox. All are very fast, can tackle, and could be a very dominant linebacking core.

So tell me guys how would you feel about Keyaron Fox starting, I mean i know he didnt show anything last year, but he's had a whole offseason to improve, and If im not mistaken he was pretty damn good player for Georgia Tech when he played there.

htismaqe · 05-01-2005, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I said players, not coaches.

I said he doesn't have as much control as some would have us believe. The coaches were an example.

htismaqe · 05-01-2005, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I believe Gun has total control over who he plays.

And we don't know that he would change anything on the coaching staff. They gave him carte blanche with personnel this offseason, I can't imagine they wouldn't let him swap a coach or two if he wanted.

And we don't know that Gun was given carte blanche with personnel. For all we know, these were the players Vermeil wanted, or the players Carl wanted.

What we know for a fact is that Gunther likes who we added, which isn't at all a big surprise. After how bad the defense was last year, you'd expect him to be happy if we brought in Carrot Top.

|Zach| · 05-01-2005, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

you'd expect him to be happy if we brought in Carrot Top.

I imagine Carrot top has put on 10-15 lbs of muscle this off season.

htismaqe · 05-01-2005, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

I imagine Carrot top has put on 10-15 lbs of muscle this off season.

That's because he's on roids and AT&T's testing policy isn't strict enough.

|Zach| · 05-01-2005, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's because he's on roids and AT&T's testing policy isn't strict enough.

Are kidding me?

The real reason is because lil Roy says so.

yoswif · 05-01-2005, 09:26 AM

As far as potential goes, I don't see much difference between an undrafted rookie who plays well in NFLE in his first opportunity, like Scanlon, and a mid round draft pick from a small college like Grigsby. I'm sure most would conceed that the talent level in NFLE exceeds the talent level in college div 1-AA.

But then I think Gun will use Grigsby at the same position and role he plans for Bell, the same position and role Anthony Davis played in the great Chief's defenses of the '90's, so what do I know.

ROYC75 · 05-01-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by yoswif

As far as potential goes, I don't see much difference between an undrafted rookie who plays well in NFLE in his first opportunity, like Scanlon, and a mid round draft pick from a small college like Grigsby. I'm sure most would conceed that the talent level in NFLE exceeds the talent level in college div 1-AA.

But then I think Gun will use Grigsby at the same position and role he plans for Bell, the same position and role Anthony Davis played in the great Chief's defenses of the '90's, so what do I know.

I too see Grigsby being moved to the OLB in that type of role, due to his speed.

As far as Rich, I see him as the backup MLB this year.

BTA, that's just me, please refer to my sig line.

keg in kc · 05-01-2005, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And we don't know that Gun was given carte blanche with personnel. For all we know, these were the players Vermeil wanted, or the players Carl wanted.

What we know for a fact is that Gunther likes who we added, which isn't at all a big surprise. After how bad the defense was last year, you'd expect him to be happy if we brought in Carrot Top.

Sorry, I know you really, really want to get your point across, but when multiple independent sources (including Gunther himself) say he gave Peterson a wish list, and the players we signed were all on that list, it's safe to say he got carte blanche.

Mr. Laz · 05-01-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Sorry, I know you really, really want to get your point across, but when multiple independent sources (including Gunther himself) say he gave Peterson a wish list, and the players we signed were all on that list, it's safe to say he got carte blanche.

coming in late to the discussion, but if he had TRUE carte blanche wouldn't Hartwell and Rolle be on this team?

i mean they tried for other players first ... so that means they either tried for the 2nd choice players in the beginning or got the 2nd choice players in the end.

either way it doesn't lend itself to a real carte blanche situation.

as you were .... carry on

philfree · 05-01-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

coming in late to the discussion, but if he had TRUE carte blanche wouldn't Hartwell and Rolle be on this team?

i mean they tried for other players first ... so that means they either tried for the 2nd choice players in the beginning or got the 2nd choice players in the end.

either way it doesn't lend itself to a real carte blanche situation.

as you were .... carry on

It's pretty obvious that we tried to sign both Hartwell as well as Bell and we never made Rolle an offer so I don't think we ended up 2nd choices. Obviously we didn't sign Bell to be the MLB because he's never played MLB before and Gun has penciled in as the RLB. I'll agree that though Gun got to pick his players he really didn't have carte blanche.

PhilFree

TRR · 05-01-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

It's pretty obvious that we tried to sign both Hartwell as well as Bell and we never made Rolle an offer so I don't think we ended up 2nd choices. Obviously we didn't sign Bell to be the MLB because he's never played MLB before and Gun has penciled in as the RLB. I'll agree that though Gun got to pick his players he really didn't have carte blanche.

PhilFree

I disagree with Bell being pegged at the ROLB. Gun specifically said he never played MLB at Pitt (which is a bad statement because there is no true MLB in Pitt's scheme). Gun then said that he will not peg any of his LB's right now. He specifically stated that there will be a flowing depth chart and position chart through T.C.

Bell isn't penciled in anywhere. Either is DJ or Fujita. The best 3 LB's will start.

JimNasium · 05-01-2005, 12:05 PM

This thread might be tops in dumbassery ratio.

**Bob Dole** · 05-01-2005, 12:16 PM

Gunther may not have had carte blanche, but Bob Dole has it on pretty good authority that he ofter orders a la carte.

philfree · 05-01-2005, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

I disagree with Bell being pegged at the ROLB. Gun specifically said he never played MLB at Pitt (which is a bad statement because there is no true MLB in Pitt's scheme). Gun then said that he will not peg any of his LB's right now. He specifically stated that there will be a flowing depth chart and position chart through T.C.

Bell isn't penciled in anywhere. Either is DJ or Fujita. The best 3 LB's will start.

IMO if we'd have signed Hartwell too, Bell would have been the RLB and we did try and sign him up till he signed with the Falcons so I think what I posted has a little merit. I did see the flowing depth chart comment and I do believe the best LBs will play. I never said anything was written in stone.

PhilFree:arow:

Coogs · 05-01-2005, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

The best 3 LB's will start.

Ya think?

I guess over the next couple of months it's up to all of us Planet members to come to a consensus on who the top three are then, huh?

04-29-2005, 08:04 PM
royr17 MVP Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lovin my kids Casino cash: $1898676	Chiefs Linebacker Corp Its loaded this year with talent. At Outside Linebacker we have Scott Fujita, Shawn Barber, Derrick Johnson, Keyaron Fox, and Quinton Caver. At Middle Linebacker we have Kendrell Bell, Mike Maslowski, Kawika Mitchell, Rich Scanlon, and James "Boomer" Grigsby. Derrick Johnson is goin to end up bein a steal for the chiefs I feel, and im concerned about the ROLB position. Now I feel our starters are goin to be Derrick Johnson at LOLB, and Kendrell Bell at MLB. But not sure about the ROLB position yet. Last year when we drafted Keyaron Fox, Gun had said he reminded him of a young Donnie Edwards. Now im not saying he is. But I pulled up some info on this kid and of 35 or 45 games he started he had a total of 376 career tackles. Now if you ask me thats a pretty good total. But if I had to choose between who would start I would love a LB core of DJ, Bell, and Fox. All are very fast, can tackle, and could be a very dominant linebacking core. So tell me guys how would you feel about Keyaron Fox starting, I mean i know he didnt show anything last year, but he's had a whole offseason to improve, and If im not mistaken he was pretty damn good player for Georgia Tech when he played there.
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