Chiefs Lesson Learned: Clark is Right to Land HC First

Hoover · 01-01-2013, 10:41 AM

I think it’s very wise of Clark Hunt to put a priority the selection of the next head coach and not the general manager. Hunt put a priority on selecting the GM in 2009 and he landed his man, but by the time Pioli was in place all of the top coaching candidates were gone forcing the Chiefs to reach on Todd Haley. When you miss out on the top head coaching talent, it impacts the quality of the entire coaching staff.

The Chiefs have talent, but without the right coach to focus that talent and lead the team, one doesn’t get the most out of the investment in a high profile GM. While many here believe the presence of Pioli deters high profile free agents, I would say the lack of a legitimate coach with substantial control is what drives them to other teams instead of the chiefs. Would you rather play for a coach who makes the decisions for the team, or a coach who get’s vetoed by an all-powerful GM?

I think teams like the Chargers who are going to focus on the GM search before looking at head coach replacements run the risk of missing out on the best coaches. A GM first strategy also adds an unneeded variable to the coach selection. Say we went out and grabbed a Ross or a dude from GB or SF. I’d be happy, but who are they going to get for a HC? Likely a coordinator they have ties to, which means a repeat of the Haley fiasco.

I love the fact that Clark is going to get his coach and then sort out the GM stuff. I’ve become a big advocate of Reid and Heckert. Herkert has a long time scouting background and Reid is a QB friendly, franchise type coach we have not had since Marty.

Clark is on the right track. Now get it done Mr. Hunt.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 10:44 AM

Myth: By the time Pioli was hired, all the good HC candidates were gone.

Fact: Pioli was hired on January 13th. Pioli waited three more weeks to hire Todd Haley on February 6th (IIRC)

ArrowheadMagic · 01-01-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Myth: By the time Pioli was hired, all the good HC candidates were gone.

Fact: Pioli was hired on January 13th. Pioli waited three more weeks to hire Todd Haley on February 6th (IIRC)

He didnt wait, he couldnt hire him until Arizona's season was over

**DeezNutz** · 01-01-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

He didnt wait, he couldnt hire him until Arizona's season was over

Haley was never the top choice, and Hunt alluded to this yesterday.

ArrowheadMagic · 01-01-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Haley was never the top choice, and Hunt alluded to this yesterday.

So maybe some truth to... "all the good choices were gone"?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

So maybe some truth to... "all the good choices were gone"?

More like, "we spent three weeks getting turned down".

**DeezNutz** · 01-01-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

So maybe some truth to... "all the good choices were gone"?

Or just more evidence that Pioli never had a ****ing clue about what he was doing.

**cdcox** · 01-01-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Myth: By the time Pioli was hired, all the good HC candidates were gone.

Fact: Pioli was hired on January 13th. Pioli waited three more weeks to hire Todd Haley on February 6th (IIRC)

A good part of that was the Herm evaluation period enforced by Hunt, if you believe what was reported from the Chiefs.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

A good part of that was the Herm evaluation period enforced by Hunt, if you believe what was reported from the Chiefs.

Looking back on the bullshit spewed from 1 Arrowhead Drive, why would anyone believe anything that was reported by the Chiefs?

**Bugeater** · 01-01-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Looking back on the bullshit spewed from 1 Arrowhead Drive, why would anyone believe anything that was reported by the Chiefs?

Regardless of the reason, it never should've taken as long as it did to shitcan Herm.

FloridaMan88 · 01-01-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

Regardless of the reason, it never should've taken as long as it did to shitcan Herm.

Just like it should not take this long to shit can Fat Scott (it has been close to 48 hours since the season ended... that is already too long).

There is no benefit to keeping Fat Scott around, even temporarily until the HC is hired.

whoman69 · 01-01-2013, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Myth: By the time Pioli was hired, all the good HC candidates were gone.

Fact: Pioli was hired on January 13th. Pioli waited three more weeks to hire Todd Haley on February 6th (IIRC)

Pioli was given a mandate by Hunt to consider the job status of Herm Edwards. If he did that over a weekend it wouldn't have worn well with his new boss.

I'm not going to give Hunt kudos for hamstringing the organization then and won't do it now. Any coach that comes in here is going to want to know if the deal comes along with Pioli. It shows Hunt does not want to make the big decisions for the organization. He is going to take the safe move every time, the one that allows him to make the least input. Hunt is only interested in counting the money that comes in. If you'll notice he doesn't say he is considering Pioli's status for the good of the organization, but instead what is in the best interests of his family.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Pioli was given a mandate by Hunt to consider the job status of Herm Edwards.

No, he wasn't - and as DeezNutz pointed out, this was implied yesterday in Clark's comments.

**notorious** · 01-01-2013, 10:45 AM

Clark is going to handle GM duties. Get ready.

Hoover · 01-01-2013, 10:49 AM

The 2009 coaching class sucked in general, but getting your GM in place first limits your options, especially if you are wanting to land an established coach.

01-01-2013, 10:41 AM	Topic Starter
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1658179	Lesson Learned: Clark is Right to Land HC First I think it’s very wise of Clark Hunt to put a priority the selection of the next head coach and not the general manager. Hunt put a priority on selecting the GM in 2009 and he landed his man, but by the time Pioli was in place all of the top coaching candidates were gone forcing the Chiefs to reach on Todd Haley. When you miss out on the top head coaching talent, it impacts the quality of the entire coaching staff. The Chiefs have talent, but without the right coach to focus that talent and lead the team, one doesn’t get the most out of the investment in a high profile GM. While many here believe the presence of Pioli deters high profile free agents, I would say the lack of a legitimate coach with substantial control is what drives them to other teams instead of the chiefs. Would you rather play for a coach who makes the decisions for the team, or a coach who get’s vetoed by an all-powerful GM? I think teams like the Chargers who are going to focus on the GM search before looking at head coach replacements run the risk of missing out on the best coaches. A GM first strategy also adds an unneeded variable to the coach selection. Say we went out and grabbed a Ross or a dude from GB or SF. I’d be happy, but who are they going to get for a HC? Likely a coordinator they have ties to, which means a repeat of the Haley fiasco. I love the fact that Clark is going to get his coach and then sort out the GM stuff. I’ve become a big advocate of Reid and Heckert. Herkert has a long time scouting background and Reid is a QB friendly, franchise type coach we have not had since Marty. Clark is on the right track. Now get it done Mr. Hunt.
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4911115	Myth: By the time Pioli was hired, all the good HC candidates were gone. Fact: Pioli was hired on January 13th. Pioli waited three more weeks to hire Todd Haley on February 6th (IIRC)
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Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1658179	The 2009 coaching class sucked in general, but getting your GM in place first limits your options, especially if you are wanting to land an established coach.
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