Sac's 2011 Chief's Draft Grades

Saccopoo · 05-01-2011, 01:01 PM

1. Jon Baldwin: A
- 6'5", 230 lbs. 4.49 40. 42" vertical. 10'9" broad jump.
Those numbers/measurables are absolutely ridiculous. Has very good hands, catches the ball away from the body and is very good running after the catch. I was fine with the Chiefs selecting him at #21, but to pick up an extra third rounder and still get him? Fantastic. And he doesn't have to be "the guy" with Bowe on the team.

2. Rod Hudson: A
- Has been absolutely dominant in college: Two time first team All-American. Three time first team All-conference. First team freshman All-American. Only gave up two sacks and, remarkably, only four penalties in his entire four years as a starter. Unbelievable. IMO, the best offensive lineman in this draft. Should excel in Haley's zone scheme. Played center in high school and was slated to start at left tackle as a sophomore at FSU before injuries and youth forced him back inside. Very strong and plays with great leverage.

3. Justin Houston: B
- A lot of Planeteers would have been happy if Houston was the Chiefs first round pick. To get a guy like this in the third? Ridiculous! Big, fast and athletic. Had a suspension in 2009 for violating a school substance abuse policy and rumored to have tested positive at the Combine. Has also been on the school's honor roll academically. There's some risk here, but if he gets straightened out, he's got the potential to be a beast in this system.

3. Allen Bailey: B
- An athletic freak of nature who, at 285 lbs., runs a 4.71 40 yard dash. Could potentially play a lot of positions for the Chiefs (OLB, DE, ILB). I was shocked he didn't go earlier to some of the 4-3 teams as a rush end. It will be interesting to see what the Chiefs end up doing with Bailey, but, like Houston, he's huge and fast and athletic with excellent burst and finishes plays with a little nastiness. Hits like a truck.

4. Jalil Brown: B
- Good measurables, proto-type size and a very solid character. The Chiefs don't have any depth at corner beyond Flowers, Carr and Arenas, so this pick does fill a need. Brown plays long and is pretty fluid.

5. Ricky Stanzi: A
- I really like this pick. Stanzi has excellent size and had a very good senior season where he set a school record for passing efficiency. He's been a winner (26-9 career record as a starter) in a tough conference. Winner of three post-season bowl games. Comes out of a pro-style set and will get good coaching under Zorn and Haley. I think he's got a chance to be a very good pro player and it wouldn't surprised me to see him take over as the starter sooner rather than later.

5. Gabe Miller: D
- I just don't get this pick. He looks to be a clone of Studebaker (the exact same size, same athleticism, etc.), and they picked up Houston in round three. If Sheffield can't play because of the injury in the pre-season last year, it's a better pick but still looks to be a reach. I'd have rather have seen Jason Pinkston, OT; Pittsburgh or Tyler Sash, S; Iowa with this pick.

6. Jerrell Powe: A
- Many of us would have been happy with him in the third round. The team needed a true NT, and got one in the Land Shark. A massive and strong guy with huge legs, he's the run plugging, two gap, bull rushing space eater that the chiefs need for their 3-4 defense. Two thumbs up to Pioli and Co. for having the balls to sit on this guy until the sixth round.

7. Shane Bannon: C
- 6'1", 270 lbs. and runs a 4.69 40? And he went to Yale? Seeing as how bad our tackles are with their pass blocking, I'll take a guy like this in the backfield.

crossbow · 05-01-2011, 02:19 PM

Pioli's scouting team really did their homework. They projected what players they could get and about what round they would fall to. Except for the Gabe Miller pick, the entire draft was golden. And yeah, an RT would have been a better choice at round 5 but they may upgrade through free agency or find a sleeper that wasn't drafted.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-01-2011, 02:24 PM

Nice grades and breakdowns Sac.

**DeezNutz** · 05-01-2011, 02:54 PM

Sac coming in with some accurate and strong analysis.

**notorious** · 05-01-2011, 05:22 PM

Gabe Miller is an F, but I hope my opinion is CoMoed.

KurtCobain · 05-01-2011, 05:28 PM

I know it's a dead horse, but I was ok with no RT pick because I think we shoot of Gaither.

**RealSNR** · 05-01-2011, 05:31 PM

I'm honestly not too worried about not taking OT in the draft. If there's a season, there will be some semblance of a free agency period. Shouldn't be too hard to at the very least grab some depth. Or even find a veteran. Preferably NOT from the Patriots. The last one we picked up was even worse than Barry Richardson

eazyb81 · 05-01-2011, 05:48 PM

Miller doesnt have the production, but his combine numbers and measurables are very similar to Houston and other top rush backers.

Developmental guy for sure, but he has some athletic ability to work with.

Agree on Stanzi - I think he could challenge for the starting gig as early as next season. He has everything you look for in a QB for this system.

Direckshun · 05-01-2011, 05:55 PM

Love the work you've done all draft season, Sac.

Stick around for a few years. You've got high upside.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 05-01-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Miller doesnt have the production, but his combine numbers and measurables are very similar to Houston and other top rush backers.

Developmental guy for sure, but he has some athletic ability to work with.

Agree on Stanzi - I think he could challenge for the starting gig as early as next season. He has everything you look for in a QB for this system.

Miller is basically Brian Johnston without any of the college production.

milkman · 05-01-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KurtCobain

I know it's a dead horse, but I was ok with no RT pick because I think we shoot of Gaither.

I hate to agree with sac on anything, but I think he's right about Ryan Harris.

He's the guy we should target, as he's a perfect fit for this scheme.

If Tyson Clabo is a RFA, then Harris is my #1 choice.

**the Talking Can** · 05-01-2011, 06:48 PM

pretty much agree, though i think houston is A based on the round

interesting thing about the draft is twice teams traded in front of us to draft tackles...in the 3rd it was Jah Reid, and i bet we were going to take him...i think the team had a tackle as a priority but simply refused to move off their draft board for need...and thank god

lot easier to find RTs in the draft or FA than pass rushing 3-4 backers with Houston's talent...

and i like stanzi in the 5th....that's the right place, and he's got some legit developmental potential

philfree · 05-01-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

pretty much agree, though i think houston is A based on the round
interesting thing about the draft is twice teams traded in front of us to draft tackles...in the 3rd it was Jah Reid, and i bet we were going to take him...i think the team had a tackle as a priority but simply refused to move off their draft board for need...and thank god

lot easier to find RTs in the draft or FA than pass rushing 3-4 backers with Houston's talent...

and i like stanzi in the 5th....that's the right place, and he's got some legit developmental potential

I agree and I imagine he'll have a small chip on his shoulder since he slipped all the way to the 3rd round. He'll be out to prove that teams made a mistake by passing on him.

Our first three picks filled needs so well that when combined they equal an A+. Add in Stanzi and then Powe two more As and it's an A+ draft.

PhilFree

PhillyChiefFan · 05-02-2011, 04:59 AM

A lot of the draft analysts are giving us a B or a C that I saw. I believe we had a great draft, and are building the foundation for a great team for years to come.

Most of the these guys can fill a starting role, or provide breathing room as backups. I'm excited to see what some of these guys can do.

I wanted to draft a WR, C, NT, OLB, and a QB, and we got just that and then some without reaching. I just hope we have a season next year...

PhillyChiefFan · 05-02-2011, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I agree and I imagine he'll have a small chip on his shoulder since he slipped all the way to the 3rd round.

I think so too, the guy was pretty much a sure fire 1st rounder and slipped. I hope it gives him a mean streak and puts a fire under his ass.

Hali, Houston, Berry, Lewis, Powe, Dorsey...all coached by Crennel...our defense is going to be nasty.

05-01-2011, 01:01 PM
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Sac's 2011 Chief's Draft Grades 1. Jon Baldwin: A - 6'5", 230 lbs. 4.49 40. 42" vertical. 10'9" broad jump. Those numbers/measurables are absolutely ridiculous. Has very good hands, catches the ball away from the body and is very good running after the catch. I was fine with the Chiefs selecting him at #21, but to pick up an extra third rounder and still get him? Fantastic. And he doesn't have to be "the guy" with Bowe on the team. 2. Rod Hudson: A - Has been absolutely dominant in college: Two time first team All-American. Three time first team All-conference. First team freshman All-American. Only gave up two sacks and, remarkably, only four penalties in his entire four years as a starter. Unbelievable. IMO, the best offensive lineman in this draft. Should excel in Haley's zone scheme. Played center in high school and was slated to start at left tackle as a sophomore at FSU before injuries and youth forced him back inside. Very strong and plays with great leverage. 3. Justin Houston: B - A lot of Planeteers would have been happy if Houston was the Chiefs first round pick. To get a guy like this in the third? Ridiculous! Big, fast and athletic. Had a suspension in 2009 for violating a school substance abuse policy and rumored to have tested positive at the Combine. Has also been on the school's honor roll academically. There's some risk here, but if he gets straightened out, he's got the potential to be a beast in this system. 3. Allen Bailey: B - An athletic freak of nature who, at 285 lbs., runs a 4.71 40 yard dash. Could potentially play a lot of positions for the Chiefs (OLB, DE, ILB). I was shocked he didn't go earlier to some of the 4-3 teams as a rush end. It will be interesting to see what the Chiefs end up doing with Bailey, but, like Houston, he's huge and fast and athletic with excellent burst and finishes plays with a little nastiness. Hits like a truck. 4. Jalil Brown: B - Good measurables, proto-type size and a very solid character. The Chiefs don't have any depth at corner beyond Flowers, Carr and Arenas, so this pick does fill a need. Brown plays long and is pretty fluid. 5. Ricky Stanzi: A - I really like this pick. Stanzi has excellent size and had a very good senior season where he set a school record for passing efficiency. He's been a winner (26-9 career record as a starter) in a tough conference. Winner of three post-season bowl games. Comes out of a pro-style set and will get good coaching under Zorn and Haley. I think he's got a chance to be a very good pro player and it wouldn't surprised me to see him take over as the starter sooner rather than later. 5. Gabe Miller: D - I just don't get this pick. He looks to be a clone of Studebaker (the exact same size, same athleticism, etc.), and they picked up Houston in round three. If Sheffield can't play because of the injury in the pre-season last year, it's a better pick but still looks to be a reach. I'd have rather have seen Jason Pinkston, OT; Pittsburgh or Tyler Sash, S; Iowa with this pick. 6. Jerrell Powe: A - Many of us would have been happy with him in the third round. The team needed a true NT, and got one in the Land Shark. A massive and strong guy with huge legs, he's the run plugging, two gap, bull rushing space eater that the chiefs need for their 3-4 defense. Two thumbs up to Pioli and Co. for having the balls to sit on this guy until the sixth round. 7. Shane Bannon: C - 6'1", 270 lbs. and runs a 4.69 40? And he went to Yale? Seeing as how bad our tackles are with their pass blocking, I'll take a guy like this in the backfield.
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eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $10004900	Miller doesnt have the production, but his combine numbers and measurables are very similar to Houston and other top rush backers. Developmental guy for sure, but he has some athletic ability to work with. Agree on Stanzi - I think he could challenge for the starting gig as early as next season. He has everything you look for in a QB for this system.
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crossbow King of Sarcasm Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: at home Casino cash: $10004900	Pioli's scouting team really did their homework. They projected what players they could get and about what round they would fall to. Except for the Gabe Miller pick, the entire draft was golden. And yeah, an RT would have been a better choice at round 5 but they may upgrade through free agency or find a sleeper that wasn't drafted.
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the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10022208	pretty much agree, though i think houston is A based on the round interesting thing about the draft is twice teams traded in front of us to draft tackles...in the 3rd it was Jah Reid, and i bet we were going to take him...i think the team had a tackle as a priority but simply refused to move off their draft board for need...and thank god lot easier to find RTs in the draft or FA than pass rushing 3-4 backers with Houston's talent... and i like stanzi in the 5th....that's the right place, and he's got some legit developmental potential __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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05-02-2011, 04:59 AM	#14
PhillyChiefFan Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Casino cash: $4561139	A lot of the draft analysts are giving us a B or a C that I saw. I believe we had a great draft, and are building the foundation for a great team for years to come. Most of the these guys can fill a starting role, or provide breathing room as backups. I'm excited to see what some of these guys can do. I wanted to draft a WR, C, NT, OLB, and a QB, and we got just that and then some without reaching. I just hope we have a season next year...
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