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Old 08-02-2005, 02:43 PM  
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Plane off runway and on fire in Toronto, Canada...

Air France jet.

Not looking good for possible survivors. Thusfar, they are blaming weather.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:40 PM   #76
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As a passenger, it's ****ing loud. Inch-diameter hail sounds like the end of the world.

As a pilot, there's been cases where windshields have cracked and the nose of the plane has actually been so badly damage that the fuselage has been compromised.

Hail is bad, but geese is probably worse.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:41 PM   #77
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Where'd u hear this?

Well... the pilot's in the hospital and I pray he survives. I would like to know what the hell happened here before I get on another plane. Is it just me, or do they just seem to "fly" through the emergency procedures now a days. I remember when I used to fly it was a detailed presentation of exits and so fourth. Last week when I was on a plane, it took no longer than 30 seconds. hmmm...
Flying is much safer than driving (cliche, I know). The thing humans have trouble with is having absolutely no control over the sitaution.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:41 PM   #78
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Let me clarify that again... the witness described the engine sound as "backing up". Not the plane itself. I'm not exactly sure what that would sound like, but he meant the engine made a funny noise.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:42 PM   #79
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As a passenger, it's ****ing loud. Inch-diameter hail sounds like the end of the world.

As a pilot, there's been cases where windshields have cracked and the nose of the plane has actually been so badly damage that the fuselage has been compromised.
Not to mention that the shape of the wing is somewhat critical. Having the sh*t smacked out of it and mishaping it is not good for lift.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:42 PM   #80
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Now a witness says plane was hit by lightning.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:42 PM   #81
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If a French plane crashes in Canada, where do you bury the survivors?
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:42 PM   #82
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Airbus planes were some of the first to use fly-by-wire control systems. The flight computer 'interprets' the control inputs of the pilots. There have been a few instances of early Airbuses not 'wanting' to land and basically overiding the pilot inputs. Damn software.

I'd be very surprised if this had anything to do with this accident, however. Probably a mechanical malfunction or weather-related.
I've always prefered Airbus over Boeing for some reason...
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:43 PM   #83
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If a French plane crashes in Canada, where do you bury the survivors?
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:43 PM   #84
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Now they have somebody on the CBC I believe that claims he saw the plane struck by lightning. Go figure.....
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:43 PM   #85
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Let me clarify that again... the witness described the engine sound as "backing up". Not the plane itself. I'm not exactly sure what that would sound like, but he meant the engine made a funny noise.
Sounds like they came in too hot and cranked the reversers longer than usual, trying to stop in time.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:44 PM   #86
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Let me clarify that again... the witness described the engine sound as "backing up". Not the plane itself. I'm not exactly sure what that would sound like, but he meant the engine made a funny noise.
That's the really loud whining noise when the thrust reverseres kick in... I love that sound, heh.
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Check that, this guy on now is a passenger. It's being simulcast on CNN right now.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:44 PM   #88
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Flying is much safer than driving (cliche, I know). The thing humans have trouble with is having absolutely no control over the sitaution.
Ohhh yeah. I know that... what I was saying is that they should take more time explaining the procedures (and I know it gets old after you hear it for the hundreth time) better.

Passanger who is safe and escaped (2nd one off) says all people around him were running like crazy and he thinks that most people got off...but he can't tell for sure. Says plane was totally full.
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I've always prefered Airbus over Boeing for some reason...
What? No Tupolev?
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If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.

In all honesty, all aircraft have their quirks. 737s had a nasty tendency to have rudder issues a while back.
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