Do you think we could trade for an elite WR in the offseason?

[Silock]

Surely there are some teams that would be willing to give up an elite WR (like a Chad Johnson) for some draft picks to help their rebuild.

Or do you think we'll continue to try to build through the draft?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I'd be cool with Pioli making it rain money and vouchers for cab rides to Vincent Jackson.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by SNR

Also, the other key is taking receivers in the draft who had potential.

That means **** guys like Will Franklin. Take STARTERS in college who make big plays.

Will Franklin was a starter in college. He was honorable mention All BXII as a senior, and caught 40+ passes his last three years of college. He was 6'2", 205, and ran a sub 4.4 40.

Productive players from major conferences with great size/speed ratios are generally great players to make investments on in the middle round.

Sometimes shit just doesn't work out.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He's certainly NOT Lance Long.

The dude actually caught the ball and scored.



Plus, he's 6'1, 204. Definite potential.

I was just referencing how much Haley talked him up is all.

Similarly to how he has talked up Tucker.

That catch was money though and I do think he could be our Breaston.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Silock

Which will require a decent investment of draft picks. Do you think we will trade for ANY position next year, or will we continue to pick up free agents?

Dude, I have no idea. I just don't know (and I'm not sure that anyone, outside the triumvirate of Pioli, Haley & Weis) know what they're thinking in terms of the quarterback.

They state one thing ("We want to get better, everywhere"), but Cassel seems untouchable.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Not the biggest Jackson fan, just want a legit #1 WR that's actually fast and capable of torching the secondary.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Will Franklin was a starter in college. He was honorable mention All BXII as a senior, and caught 40+ passes his last three years of college. He was 6'2", 205, and ran a sub 4.4 40.

Productive players from major conferences with great size/speed ratios are generally great players to make investments on in the middle round.

Sometimes shit just doesn't work out.

Any idea why Franklin didn't work out? Any rumors?

MU isn't televised often (if ever) in SoCal, and I can't recall ever seeing him on the field. Maclin, OTOH, was a consistent highlight reel.

It's a shame to see a young talent go to waste.

[Sure-Oz]

Wasn't it cause Franklin was lazy? I believe he made the Raiders practice squad and then got cut

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Franklin wasn't a pussy, as Boss Chief incorrectly claimed, his biggest problem was he had a learning disability, which made it very hard for him to pick up the playbook. He was also somewhat corrupted by the culture of Herm, and showed up overweight in 2009, so he was made an example of in a way they couldn't afford to with someone like Dorsey.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I was just referencing how much Haley talked him up is all.

Similarly to how he has talked up Tucker.

With all due respect, I generally ignore Coachspeak, especially the current regime. I don't think they'll ever discredit a player in a public forum.

Originally Posted by BossChief

That catch was money though and I do think he could be our Breaston.

Well, that would be absolutely outstanding, albeit a little early to predict.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Franklin wasn't a pussy, as Boss Chief incorrectly claimed, his biggest problem was he had a learning disability, which made it very hard for him to pick up the playbook. He was also somewhat corrupted by the culture of Herm, and showed up overweight in 2009, so he was made an example of in a way they couldn't afford to with someone like Dorsey.

Well, hopefully he can overcome that and sign with a team in the future. I guess it all depends on his drive and desire to be great.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The last I knew, he was in the UFL, but I don't even think he's there anymore. The ship has most likely sailed for him. That said, when you have receivers with his potential upside with the minimal cost of a mid round pick, it's a good risk-reward.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Franklin wasn't a pussy, as Boss Chief incorrectly claimed, his biggest problem was he had a learning disability, which made it very hard for him to pick up the playbook. He was also somewhat corrupted by the culture of Herm, and showed up overweight in 2009, so he was made an example of in a way they couldn't afford to with someone like Dorsey.

Bullshit.

The guy was a pussy. If he didn't play for Mizzou, you wouldn't give two shits about him and you would list it as another completely failed pick and you know it.

Im not gonna claim to have seen him in a bunch of college games, but I CAN say that I have went to a shitton of practices and seen him with my own eyes and on television in real games and talked to him and more than a couple occasions at camp and he was SOFT in body and mind...I liked the pick until I saw him on the field.

Dude was a slightly bigger Sammy Parker.

When he knew the hit was coming, he pulled up EVERY TIME.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The last I knew, he was in the UFL, but I don't even think he's there anymore. The ship has most likely sailed for him. That said, when you have receivers with his potential upside with the minimal cost of a mid round pick, it's a good risk-reward.

but you cant let a 7th rounder for Jake Oconnell go...when he has a great size speed ratio.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

but you cant let a 7th rounder for Jake Oconnell go...when he has a great size speed ratio.

All that Jake O'Connell has proved at this point is that he's wasting a roster spot.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Bullshit.

The guy was a pussy. If he didn't play for Mizzou, you wouldn't give two shits about him and you would list it as another completely failed pick and you know it.

Im not gonna claim to have seen him in a bunch of college games, but I CAN say that I have went to a shitton of practices and seen him with my own eyes and on television in real games and talked to him and more than a couple occasions at camp and he was SOFT in body and mind...I liked the pick until I saw him on the field.

Dude was a slightly bigger Sammy Parker.

When he knew the hit was coming, he pulled up EVERY TIME.

This is so much specious bullshit.

He measured 6'1 210 at the combine, Samie Parker was 5'11 185.

I don't know how you could ever compare the two in body size.

It's also nice that you're duplicitous enough to pimp Verran Tucker based on the testimony of coachspeak, yet deride Franklin based on how he looked it practices.

I've said for a long time that the failure rate of draft picks is well-documented, but even with that being the case, it's far more defensible to draft a player who is perceived to be a good value, and Franklin was, than to reach for a player who is perceived to be a poor value, like Tyson Jackson.

Example: Trezelle Jenkins. It wasn't that he was a 1st round bust. Late 1st round busts happen every year. It's that he was a 4th round talent taken in the 1st, so not only did you waste a draft pick, you wasted a more valuable draft pick.

And finally, what the hell does talking to a player have to do with anything. If you were to talk to Troy Polamalu on the street, is he going to appear to be anything like he is on the field? Most people would think he's emo. Get the **** out with that stupid shit.