Chiefs Do you think we could trade for an elite WR in the offseason? - Page 4

Silock · 11-09-2010, 12:00 AM

Surely there are some teams that would be willing to give up an elite WR (like a Chad Johnson) for some draft picks to help their rebuild.

Or do you think we'll continue to try to build through the draft?

**BossChief** · 11-09-2010, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

With all due respect, I generally ignore Coachspeak, especially the current regime. I don't think they'll ever discredit a player in a public forum.

Well, that would be absolutely outstanding, albeit a little early to predict.

there is a difference between coachspeak, in which Haley goes into "were getting better at every position...blah blah blah" and him going out of his way to comment in such a way about a player.

I likened him to Breaston because of his build and style of play. Also, he kind of came from nowhere and is a guy that Haley has stuck his neck out for...like Breston a couple years ago.

It sucks that we dont have a real quarterback, Id like to see how good this receiver corps could be with a legit guy throwing them the ball with this running game.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-09-2010, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

but you cant let a 7th rounder for Jake Oconnell go...when he has a great size speed ratio.

He doesn't
He was never productive
He played in a far worse conference and was never a factor.

4.69 at a Pro day isn't lighting the world on fire. Besides, if you are going to tout something about O'Connell, tout his leaping ability, which of course he has demonstrated numerous times while blocking as the third TE on 3rd and short while the Chiefs run away from his side.

Hell, there were a number of TEs who were the same size with much better speed who actually produced in major conferences.

The stupidity of drafting Jake O'Connell was a perfect storm of idiocy.

1) You give up multiple picks for a bad player
2) Said player never produced,
3) Said player never played in a major conference
4) Said player doesn't have a great athletic profile.

Problems with some of the above four are excusable. All of them aren't. Keeping the guy on the roster for two years is even dumber. I'm sure he makes a mean pot of coffee, though.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-09-2010, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

there is a difference between coachspeak, in which Haley goes into "were getting better at every position...blah blah blah" and him going out of his way to comment in such a way about a player.

Dude, it's all good. I'm just way more skeptical of coach speak than most people. I think it's propaganda unless proven otherwise.

Hopefully, Tucker continues to deliver and as I've stated repeatedly, I think Horne may have a place as well.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-09-2010, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

there is a difference between coachspeak, in which Haley goes into "were getting better at every position...blah blah blah" and him going out of his way to comment in such a way about a player..

Like he did with the aforementioned (first by you) Jake O'Connell

or Lance Long

or that reerun Tanner Purdum

**BossChief** · 11-09-2010, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is so much specious bullshit.

He measured 6'1 210 at the combine, Samie Parker was 5'11 185.

I don't know how you could ever compare the two in body size.

It's also nice that you're duplicitous enough to pimp Verran Tucker based on the testimony of coachspeak, yet deride Franklin based on how he looked it practices.

I've said for a long time that the failure rate of draft picks is well-documented, but even with that being the case, it's far more defensible to draft a player who is perceived to be a good value, and Franklin was, than to reach for a player who is perceived to be a poor value, like Tyson Jackson.

Example: Trezelle Jenkins. It wasn't that he was a 1st round bust. Late 1st round busts happen every year. It's that he was a 4th round talent taken in the 1st, so not only did you waste a draft pick, you wasted a more valuable draft pick.

And finally, what the hell does talking to a player have to do with anything. If you were to talk to Troy Polamalu on the street, is he going to appear to be anything like he is on the field? Most people would think he's emo. Get the **** out with that stupid shit.

I didnt compare their body sizes, I said he was a slightly bigger Sammy Parker. A guy that would pull up if he knew the hit was coming. Its accurate in game tape as well as practice. sammy would even catch the ball, but would fumble it...Will didnt even make the full effort to catch tthe damn ball..in fact I remember at least three times where he was thrown to deep with decent coverage where the defender got the pick with Will not even putting in any effort into knocking the ball down, but you probably dont remember those because he went to Mizzou so he could do no wrong. If you disagree with that, you are looking at it through Mizzou glasses.

The guy got cut by two or three other teams after us because of what is likely the same thing. the learning disability makes sense though, he didnt seem like he was 100% there like a NFL quality player is when I was able to talk to him. Almost Junior Siavii esque

I have liked Tucker for some time now, it only has part to do with what Haley has said...what he said seemed to confirm what my eyes told me.

You like Will Franklin because he went to Mizzou...if he went to Iowa or Texas, you would slam the pick to this day for all the justifiable reasons.

If you cant understand how talking to a player and seeing how he responds to stuff in person as a huge part of the equation of how to judge a players demeanor, you arent as smart as I once thought you are so "get the **** out with that reeruned shit" Im talking about talking to him right after practice and asking him questions about practice that he should have been able to answer and seemed weak minded in the way he answered them...and not just to me either.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-09-2010, 12:58 AM

I'm hoping Tucker makes the most of his time and pushes Chambers off the roster.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-09-2010, 01:01 AM

Bullshit.

Franklin was a physically talented player. He didn't work out. He obviously wasn't 100% dedicated (weight) and he had a learning disability. I don't give a shit that he went to Mizzou.

If you knew my posting history, you'd know that I've been a longtime critic of guys like William Moore and Chase Coffman, two of the more prominent recent MU players in the NFL. I was super high on Weatherspoon and Maclin.

Why? The latter guys are good, or have the ability to be good. Moore always played like he had shit for brains. Franklin flashed a lot of ability, didn't get as many touches, but was the deep threat on that team. It's a risk worth taking. We had good implied odds.

Finally, 25 pounds is not "slightly bigger". 25 pounds is the difference between TO and Jeremy Maclin.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-09-2010, 01:11 AM

Here's a post about Moore's draft stock falling at the Senior Bowl:

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Nor should he be.

He was sooooo overrated going into this year. You can't blame it on injuries, either. He just played like shit, and he did it at the Senior Bowl too. I don't think I'd take him in the second round, let alone the first.

**BossChief** · 11-09-2010, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He doesn't
He was never productive
He played in a far worse conference and was never a factor.

4.69 at a Pro day isn't lighting the world on fire. Besides, if you are going to tout something about O'Connell, tout his leaping ability, which of course he has demonstrated numerous times while blocking as the third TE on 3rd and short while the Chiefs run away from his side.

Hell, there were a number of TEs who were the same size with much better speed who actually produced in major conferences.

The stupidity of drafting Jake O'Connell was a perfect storm of idiocy.

1) You give up multiple picks for a bad player
2) Said player never produced,
3) Said player never played in a major conference
4) Said player doesn't have a great athletic profile.

Problems with some of the above four are excusable. All of them aren't. Keeping the guy on the roster for two years is even dumber. I'm sure he makes a mean pot of coffee, though.

Jake is 6'3" 250 and has good speed for that size as well as a lot of athleticism.

We didnt trade "multiple picks" for him either, we traded a future 7th rounder for him FFS. This has been brought up many times. It was a bad pick, but lets not stretch the facts.

He was/is a failed pick (if thats what you chose to call a 7th rounder thats still around for whatever the reason, that I dont even know) but my point is that he was a 7th rounder that you bring up all the time as a guy that symbolizes the failure of our ability to draft while, on the other hand, call Will Franklin a good pick at a very high 4th rounder. He was cut by multiple teams in his second year, right?

I didnt even know about his learning disability, but it was evident by talking to him that he wasnt a very smart dude.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Like he did with the aforementioned (first by you) Jake O'Connell

or Lance Long

or that reerun Tanner Purdum

Yeah, I know I brought up the quotes about Lance Long earlier.

haha

I dont even remember Purdum though, that must have been during the couple weeks that I had to put a lot more time in at work.

**BossChief** · 11-09-2010, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Bullshit.

Franklin was a physically talented player. He didn't work out. He obviously wasn't 100% dedicated (weight) and he had a learning disability. I don't give a shit that he went to Mizzou.

If you knew my posting history, you'd know that I've been a longtime critic of guys like William Moore and Chase Coffman, two of the more prominent recent MU players in the NFL. I was super high on Weatherspoon and Maclin.

Why? The latter guys are good, or have the ability to be good. Moore always played like he had shit for brains. Franklin flashed a lot of ability, didn't get as many touches, but was the deep threat on that team. It's a risk worth taking. We had good implied odds.

Finally, 25 pounds is not "slightly bigger". 25 pounds is the difference between TO and Jeremy Maclin.

and you would have taken Maclin at 3rd overall.

Nobody that wasn't a Mizzou fan would have even thought of doing that.

Its ok dude, it happens to all of us.

I have a thread about taking Ricki Stanzi (who had another clutch game winning pass this weekend) in the late second round, we all have a special place in our hearts for our favorite players from our college team.

Just like all the poundings I got this time last year for all my Moeaki Talk (and Pat Angerer)

Hammock Parties · 11-09-2010, 01:25 AM

Verran Tucker has one catch this year. He's a glorified special teams player.

The Chiefs should look into a trade. The Anquan Boldin deal has been huge for Baltimore.

**BossChief** · 11-09-2010, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Verran Tucker has one catch this year. He's a glorified special teams player.

The Chiefs should look into a trade. The Anquan Boldin deal has been huge for Baltimore.

I wouldnt trade Asamoah AND Moeaki for Boldin though

would you?

iirc they got a 3rd and 4th for him right?

Hammock Parties · 11-09-2010, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I wouldnt trade Asamoah AND Moeaki for Boldin though

would you?

Yes.

Boldin > Moeaki.

**RealSNR** · 11-09-2010, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Verran Tucker has one catch this year. He's a glorified special teams player.

The Chiefs should look into a trade. The Anquan Boldin deal has been huge for Baltimore.

At least he caught his TD in the regular season.

Fans are still desperate, but at least Tucker is an upgrade from that piece of shit Jeremy Horne. But I'm still going to laugh in their faces if they make him out as anything more than a special teams player, like you said.

I agree. We should've looked into acquiring Boldin.

googlegoogle · 11-09-2010, 02:47 AM

For some crazy reason we NEVER draft a wr in the later rounds.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Bullshit. Franklin was a physically talented player. He didn't work out. He obviously wasn't 100% dedicated (weight) and he had a learning disability. I don't give a shit that he went to Mizzou. If you knew my posting history, you'd know that I've been a longtime critic of guys like William Moore and Chase Coffman, two of the more prominent recent MU players in the NFL. I was super high on Weatherspoon and Maclin. Why? The latter guys are good, or have the ability to be good. Moore always played like he had shit for brains. Franklin flashed a lot of ability, didn't get as many touches, but was the deep threat on that team. It's a risk worth taking. We had good implied odds. Finally, 25 pounds is not "slightly bigger". 25 pounds is the difference between TO and Jeremy Maclin. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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