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Old 05-24-2012, 09:03 PM  
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Watching the quarterbacks
Among the 3 quarterbacks on the roster, the guy who threw the ball best on Thursday was Brady Quinn. He appears to have solid mechanics in his drop and has smoothed out some rough edges that were visible in his motion going back to Notre Dame. Matt Cassel threw several nice passes, but he was high on his throws during much of the session. Ricky Stanzi was OK. @Iowa homers.

“I think they’re beginning to gain a command of the system and some of the checks that we have in place,” Crennel said. “They’re all doing well. Probably, Brady and Matt are a little ahead of Stanzi right now, but they’re all working at it. They’re a good group in that room, so we feel good about them.”
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Old 05-27-2012, 02:43 PM   #421
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Orton moves chains. Defense rests.

Bowe drops TD. So does McClain. First on leads to INT. Second to FG. 11 missed points there. FG kicker also misses 9 more points worth of FG's. 6 vs Raiders. 3 vs Donks.
So should we list TD drops and missed field goals for Cassel too? He might have had 30+ TDs in 2010 if it wasn't for TD drops...
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Old 05-27-2012, 02:47 PM   #422
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NBC'ers. Folks who argue againt the ABC'ers.

Um...the two aren't mutually exclusive. Just because you don't want Anybody but Cassel doesn't mean you want Nobody but Cassel.

I don't want an average QB (Orton) or a draft bust (Quinn) replacing Cassel because it adds nothing to the team. A QB who can't score in the redzone is a liability not an asset. Having 5 red zone trips and coming out with 4 FGs is a damn disgrace. If Cassel had done that, you'd have 2000 posts about it.

Cassel = Bum. Orton = Bum. Quinn = Bum.
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Old 05-27-2012, 02:47 PM   #423
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So should we list TD drops and missed field goals for Cassel too? He might have had 30+ TDs in 2010 if it wasn't for TD drops...
He had a few INT's dropped that season too. So whatever you want to do there.

I'm not singing Orton's praises. Just saying for having absolutely no time to develop chemistry with his team/receivers, he sized up and fitted Cassel with clown shoes.
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Um...the two aren't mutually exclusive. Just because you don't want Anybody but Cassel doesn't mean you want Nobody but Cassel.
Just a play on words dude. Relax.

And FWIW, I think you would be hard pressed to find any ABC'er who would want Palko again, so techniquely ABC'er is incorrect as well. But we ABC'ers understand the connotation. Same is meant by NBC'er.

Our choices right now besides Cassel are Quinn and Stanzi. I'm thinking one or both can beat him out. Orton showed why there is reason for hope.
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Um...the two aren't mutually exclusive. Just because you don't want Anybody but Cassel doesn't mean you want Nobody but Cassel.

I don't want an average QB (Orton) or a draft bust (Quinn) replacing Cassel because it adds nothing to the team. A QB who can't score in the redzone is a liability not an asset. Having 5 red zone trips and coming out with 4 FGs is a damn disgrace. If Cassel had done that, you'd have 2000 posts about it.

Cassel = Bum. Orton = Bum. Quinn = Bum.
Again. I give Orton the benifit of the doubt. Not much time for chemistry to develop. Much less in the red zone chemistry.
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He had a few INT's dropped that season too. So whatever you want to do there.

I'm not singing Orton's praises. Just saying for having absolutely no time to develop chemistry with his team/receivers, he sized up and fitted Cassel with clown shoes.
Yeah, by having 1 touchdown in 3 games. Yep clown shoes.

Having yards means shit if you're not scoring. Leading your team to 19 points, 13 points, and 7 points is not impressive at all.

He didn't even average a lot of yards. He averaged 194.8 yards per game with the Chiefs. Cassel averaged 190.3.

So what's the upside with him? Same yards per game as Cassel and worse in the redzone. What's so impressive?
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Old 05-27-2012, 02:54 PM   #427
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Yeah, by having 1 touchdown in 3 games. Yep clown shoes.

Having yards means shit if you're not scoring. Leading your team to 19 points, 13 points, and 7 points is not impressive at all.

He didn't even average a lot of yards. He averaged 194.8 yards per game with the Chiefs. Cassel averaged 190.3.

So what's the upside with him? Same yards per game as Cassel and worse in the redzone. What's so impressive?
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He didn't even average a lot of yards. He averaged 194.8 yards per game with the Chiefs. Cassel averaged 190.3.
Because of one flea flicker pass that counted for a game played. Nice try though.

EDIT: Orton 779 passing yards in 3 starts for an average of right at 260 yards a start.
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Yeah, by having 1 touchdown in 3 games. Yep clown shoes.

Having yards means shit if you're not scoring. Leading your team to 19 points, 13 points, and 7 points is not impressive at all.
how many TD's did Matt Cassel throw for last season vs the Bills, Lions and Doplhins?
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Yeah, by having 1 touchdown in 3 games. Yep clown shoes.

Having yards means shit if you're not scoring. Leading your team to 19 points, 13 points, and 7 points is not impressive at all.

He didn't even average a lot of yards. He averaged 194.8 yards per game with the Chiefs. Cassel averaged 190.3.

So what's the upside with him? Same yards per game as Cassel and worse in the redzone. What's so impressive?
Ask the defense.
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Orton could have been in contention in KC, didn't seem interested
He took a pretty nice paycheck to back up Romo
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Yeah, by having 1 touchdown in 3 games. Yep clown shoes.

Having yards means shit if you're not scoring. Leading your team to 19 points, 13 points, and 7 points is not impressive at all.
i agree you have to score points to win.
but just to refresh your memory here are Matt's stats from the Bills, Lions and Dolphins games last season:

Matt Cassel vs Bills 2011:
22/36 119 3.3 1 TD 1 INT

Matt Cassel vs The Detroit Lions 2011:
15/22 133 6.0 0 TD 3 INT

Matt Cassel vs Miami Dolphins 2011:
20/39 253 6.5 0 TD 0 INT


now, what were you saying about ortan not being an upgrade at QB?
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Yeah, by having 1 touchdown in 3 games. Yep clown shoes.

Having yards means shit if you're not scoring. Leading your team to 19 points, 13 points, and 7 points is not impressive at all.

He didn't even average a lot of yards. He averaged 194.8 yards per game with the Chiefs. Cassel averaged 190.3.

So what's the upside with him? Same yards per game as Cassel and worse in the redzone. What's so impressive?
Your math sucks.

He averaged 259 yards.
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Your math sucks.

He averaged 259 yards.
My bad. Said 194 on PFR http://www.pro-football-reference.co...O/OrtoKy00.htm
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