Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 299

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

ChiefsCountry · 05-20-2013, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I've said all along you need to make the Cold Corner understand playign MLB isn't a right. It's a privilege. One that can (and should) be revoked at any time without warning. Just like Cleveland did with Chisenhall.

Moustakas is way better than Chisenhall. Every scout, MLB person, everybody would say the same thing.

siberian khatru · 05-20-2013, 01:02 PM

The idea behind sending Moose down isn't to get somebody better. It's to "fix" Moose.

If you think Moose can find his way at the ML level, keep him up. If you think he's lost confidence and needs a couple of weeks to rake in AAA to regain his stroke and swagger, you send him down even if Gia or Seratelli post an identical line in KC.

ChiefsCountry · 05-20-2013, 01:07 PM

By the way the Indians have 19 games coming up against the Tigers, Red Sox, Yankees, and Rangers. We have 10 with the Cardinals, Rangers, and Tigers. Like I said, things will play its self out.

Ceej · 05-20-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

By the way the Indians have 19 games coming up against the Tigers, Red Sox, Yankees, and Rangers. We have 10 with the Cardinals, Rangers, and Tigers. Like I said, things will play its self out.

After this offensive drought I sure am glad you've remained positive.

I will believe it when I see it.

I thought @Anaheim was it. I have a pretty sour taste in my mouth after the series in Oakland.

duncan_idaho · 05-20-2013, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

The idea behind sending Moose down isn't to get somebody better. It's to "fix" Moose.

If you think Moose can find his way at the ML level, keep him up. If you think he's lost confidence and needs a couple of weeks to rake in AAA to regain his stroke and swagger, you send him down even if Gia or Seratelli post an identical line in KC.

This makes sense.

His confidence looks shot to me, and his recent performance suggests it is. That was not the case before (and it was still really early). I wouldn't be surprised if THINKNG he had found 'it' during his hot stretch, only to slump again has really beaten him down.

But you still have to have a viable person to start at 3B in the meantime, since they went in to win this season.

Gio or Seratelli as a fill-in works for me.

Prison Bitch · 05-20-2013, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Moustakas is way better than Chisenhall. Every scout, MLB person, everybody would say the same thing.

He's terrible and has been terrible for almost a full year now. It's possible he will turn it around but I wouldn't say he's better than Chisenhall right now. Speculating on what MLB scouts would say is pointless so I can't really address it.

ChiefsCountry · 05-20-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CJizzles

After this offensive drought I sure am glad you've remained positive.

I will believe it when I see it.

I thought @Anaheim was it. I have a pretty sour taste in my mouth after the series in Oakland.

We have historically struggled in Oakland, same with Baltimore, and the Yankees are well the well the Yankees. We got the Astros coming up, we just kicked the Angels ass and we got them for 4. Another tough week though next week with our two geographical rivals in the Cards and Rangers, then June gives us a week of the Twins and Astros before Detroit comes to town.

Ceej · 05-20-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

We have historically struggled in Oakland, same with Baltimore, and the Yankees are well the well the Yankees. We got the Astros coming up, we just kicked the Angels ass and we got them for 4. Another tough week though next week with our two geographical rivals in the Cards and Rangers, then June gives us a week of the Twins and Astros before Detroit comes to town.

IMO, I don't care who they face or win/lose to as long as the offense improves and remains consistent, and as long as they play good, smart defense.

**Old Dog** · 05-20-2013, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

The idea behind sending Moose down isn't to get somebody better. It's to "fix" Moose.

If you think Moose can find his way at the ML level, keep him up. If you think he's lost confidence and needs a couple of weeks to rake in AAA to regain his stroke and swagger, you send him down even if Gia or Seratelli post an identical line in KC.

ding, ding, ding, WINNER

siberian khatru · 05-20-2013, 01:30 PM

I just saw that Seratelli has committed 16 errors in 83 career games at 3B.

Maybe it should be Gio or Falu.

Edit: The other thing to consider is that Gio and Falu are on the 40-man roster, Seratelli isn't.

ChiefsCountry · 05-20-2013, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles

IMO, I don't care who they face or win/lose to as long as the offense improves and remains consistent, and as long as they play good, smart defense.

Play some shitty teams and all of that will improve including the wins. June 17-19 when Detroit comes to town will be the watermark point to the season IMO.

duncan_idaho · 05-20-2013, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I just saw that Seratelli has committed 16 errors in 83 career games at 3B.

Maybe it should be Gio or Falu.

Oh, that's brutal.

18 errors in 118 career games at 2B is barely any better. His RF/LF numbers are the only ones that aren't scary. Looks like 1B is his best defensive position. Too bad he's 5-10.

Looks like he can play 1B and corner OF spots without killing you defensively. Still, probably a better use of a roster spot than Francoeur. But probably not a viable option at 3B for a major league team that needs good pitching and D to win.

siberian khatru · 05-20-2013, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Oh, that's brutal.

18 errors in 118 career games at 2B is barely any better. His RF/LF numbers are the only ones that aren't scary. Looks like 1B is his best defensive position. Too bad he's 5-10.

Looks like he can play 1B and corner OF spots without killing you defensively. Still, probably a better use of a roster spot than Francoeur. But probably not a viable option at 3B for a major league team that needs good pitching and D to win.

Check my edit on the 40-man, too.

**Bowser** · 05-20-2013, 01:46 PM

What's Mark Teahan doing these days? He could fill in at third, first, right, left, or second in a pinch. WAY TOO MUCH VALUE TO BE SITTING AT HOME

duncan_idaho · 05-20-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Check my edit on the 40-man, too.

With Seratelli, he's a guy who I can at least see providing some juice with the bat. Falu is a less good version of Elliott Johnson.

I know they're trying to stash that UTIL guy, but Seratelli's offensive potential - though still limited- is still higher than Falu.

Also, if you DFA Getz or Francoeur or JC Gutierrez, you have room for Seratelli. Not that hard, IMO, to find room.

If it's just one move, I lean towards it being Gio. If they're bringing up a second position guy, it should be Seratelli.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1740308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2534950	The idea behind sending Moose down isn't to get somebody better. It's to "fix" Moose. If you think Moose can find his way at the ML level, keep him up. If you think he's lost confidence and needs a couple of weeks to rake in AAA to regain his stroke and swagger, you send him down even if Gia or Seratelli post an identical line in KC.
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siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2534950	I just saw that Seratelli has committed 16 errors in 83 career games at 3B. Maybe it should be Gio or Falu. Edit: The other thing to consider is that Gio and Falu are on the 40-man roster, Seratelli isn't.
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