Royals (New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository - Page 12

duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

CaliforniaChief · 08-16-2013, 10:57 PM

Winning one of the next two keeps us in it.

Winning both makes the division as winnable as the Wild Card.

BWillie · 08-16-2013, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bambi

I've never seen another professional team give players off so much time for bereavement.

Team? Pretty sure its MLB rules

Al Bundy · 08-17-2013, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bambi

I've never seen another professional team give players off so much time for bereavement.

KK was giving Perez the business about his leave helping his grandma move here. I recently moved my mom to KC and it took me a week to help her do that. I couldn't imagine if she lived outside the country.

BlackHelicopters · 08-17-2013, 01:30 AM

Two more wins and the Central can be had. Can we do it?

Mama Hip Rockets · 08-17-2013, 08:55 AM

So, has Duffy taken Davis' job yet? A rotation of Shields/Santana/Guthrie/Chen/Duffy is sounding pretty awesome right now.

Mama Hip Rockets · 08-17-2013, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Winning one of the next two keeps us in it.

Winning both makes the division as winnable as the Wild Card.

But...I thought the season was over when they gave up a run the other day?

CaliforniaChief · 08-17-2013, 08:59 AM

Nope. Duffy's going back to Omaha before today's game starts, to put us back at 25 active players.

He'll come back in September, unless there's an injury in our rotation before then.

I suppose if, God forbid, Wade Davis gets bombed tonight, there would be a chance of a swap. But GMDM and Ned seem to be pretty stuck on Wade. And while I'd prefer Duffy to Davis, I ultimately prefer that Davis turns it up and keeps winning.

58-4ever · 08-17-2013, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman

So, has Duffy taken Davis' job yet? A rotation of Shields/Santana/Guthrie/Chen/Duffy is sounding pretty awesome right now.

Sounds like a winner, you guys.

Chris Meck · 08-17-2013, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Nope. Duffy's going back to Omaha before today's game starts, to put us back at 25 active players.

He'll come back in September, unless there's an injury in our rotation before then.

I suppose if, God forbid, Wade Davis gets bombed tonight, there would be a chance of a swap. But GMDM and Ned seem to be pretty stuck on Wade. And while I'd prefer Duffy to Davis, I ultimately prefer that Davis turns it up and keeps winning.

Dis.
If Davis can turn it up and be what we had hoped he would, then your rotation next year looks still good with Duffy in there and probably not Santana.

CaliforniaChief · 08-17-2013, 09:50 AM

Yeah, we're talking about this year. I don't think there's any doubt that Duffy's in the rotation next year.

I would imagine that next year, our rotation will look like this:

1. Shields
2. Guthrie
3. Duffy
4. Davis
5. Ventura/FA option

WilliamTheIrish · 08-17-2013, 09:56 AM

We always look back on our experiences and this season reminds me so much of the summers of 75 and 76. Those were stressful summer evenings. And I'm glad we a having more stressful summer evenings.

A young team, fighting against a veteran laden three time world champion. A GM who was too conservative to make a bold pick up before the trading deadline or through the waiver wire.

Today, a young team that needs a power bat or a bold move at 2b. They go out and sign a player, and recall another who are just like the one they released.

I'll never forget Whitey demanding Joe Burke find him a RH power bat (Whitey knew Larry Hisle wanted to play in KC)and instead Joe Burke traded for a utility infielder from the Twins, Jerry Terrell. Hisle had his best years in Milwaukee as part of Harvey's Wallbangers. But Whitey had balls. And he had leverage because the we knew he was good at his job.

Ned has neither. Ned's a shitty manager who happens to the son of a shitty big leaguer, who got his kid into the game.

Ned is Dayton Moore's Goonther.

tredadda · 08-17-2013, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Nope. Duffy's going back to Omaha before today's game starts, to put us back at 25 active players.

He'll come back in September, unless there's an injury in our rotation before then.

I suppose if, God forbid, Wade Davis gets bombed tonight, there would be a chance of a swap. But GMDM and Ned seem to be pretty stuck on Wade. And while I'd prefer Duffy to Davis, I ultimately prefer that Davis turns it up and keeps winning.

Pretty sure us giving up Myers for Shields and him has a lot to do with that. Have to play him as much as possible to try and break even on that trade.

Mama Hip Rockets · 08-17-2013, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda

Pretty sure us giving up Myers for Shields and him has a lot to do with that. Have to play him as much as possible to try and break even on that trade.

It seems like the middle of a pennant chase would be a good time to swallow their pride and realize winning games is more important than breaking even on a trade. Common sense tells me that a guy who shuts out the Tigers on 1 hit for 6 innings gives you a better chance of winning than a guy with a 5+ ERA.

tk13 · 08-17-2013, 12:01 PM

We'll see what Wade does today. It's been kind of lost in all the injury news that Davis has been a lot better in his last 3 starts. 2-0, 1.96 ERA, 5 BB/12 K. Different beast today facing the Tigers lineup.

**alnorth** · 08-17-2013, 12:03 PM

Breaking News: Miguel Tejada is going to be suspended by MLB for 105 games. He tested positive twice for amphetamines. 3rd-longest suspension in MLB history.

edit: This is actually his 3rd failed test. He previously tested positive before. He failed two more tests this season, 25 games for the 2nd, 80 games for the 3rd.

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1750308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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08-16-2013, 10:57 PM	#166
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08-17-2013, 01:30 AM	#169
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08-17-2013, 08:55 AM	#170
Mama Hip Rockets You don't faze me, Gobble. Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $10005644	So, has Duffy taken Davis' job yet? A rotation of Shields/Santana/Guthrie/Chen/Duffy is sounding pretty awesome right now.
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08-17-2013, 08:59 AM	#172
CaliforniaChief #RIPAce Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $12422899	Nope. Duffy's going back to Omaha before today's game starts, to put us back at 25 active players. He'll come back in September, unless there's an injury in our rotation before then. I suppose if, God forbid, Wade Davis gets bombed tonight, there would be a chance of a swap. But GMDM and Ned seem to be pretty stuck on Wade. And while I'd prefer Duffy to Davis, I ultimately prefer that Davis turns it up and keeps winning.
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08-17-2013, 09:50 AM	#175
CaliforniaChief #RIPAce Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $12422899	Yeah, we're talking about this year. I don't think there's any doubt that Duffy's in the rotation next year. I would imagine that next year, our rotation will look like this: 1. Shields 2. Guthrie 3. Duffy 4. Davis 5. Ventura/FA option
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08-17-2013, 09:56 AM	#176
WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $6070607	We always look back on our experiences and this season reminds me so much of the summers of 75 and 76. Those were stressful summer evenings. And I'm glad we a having more stressful summer evenings. A young team, fighting against a veteran laden three time world champion. A GM who was too conservative to make a bold pick up before the trading deadline or through the waiver wire. Today, a young team that needs a power bat or a bold move at 2b. They go out and sign a player, and recall another who are just like the one they released. I'll never forget Whitey demanding Joe Burke find him a RH power bat (Whitey knew Larry Hisle wanted to play in KC)and instead Joe Burke traded for a utility infielder from the Twins, Jerry Terrell. Hisle had his best years in Milwaukee as part of Harvey's Wallbangers. But Whitey had balls. And he had leverage because the we knew he was good at his job. Ned has neither. Ned's a shitty manager who happens to the son of a shitty big leaguer, who got his kid into the game. Ned is Dayton Moore's Goonther.
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08-17-2013, 12:01 PM	#179
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1982500	We'll see what Wade does today. It's been kind of lost in all the injury news that Davis has been a lot better in his last 3 starts. 2-0, 1.96 ERA, 5 BB/12 K. Different beast today facing the Tigers lineup.
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08-17-2013, 12:03 PM	#180
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	Breaking News: Miguel Tejada is going to be suspended by MLB for 105 games. He tested positive twice for amphetamines. 3rd-longest suspension in MLB history. edit: This is actually his 3rd failed test. He previously tested positive before. He failed two more tests this season, 25 games for the 2nd, 80 games for the 3rd. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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