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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:34 AM   #256
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If the D score a few points. Then Off doesn't have to work as hard. but I haven't not seeing this dink and dunk thing yet
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:35 AM   #257
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:35 AM   #258
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My thoughts, exactly.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:37 AM   #260
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Always smart to defer to the expert...
Beats the hell out of Tyler Palko as a developmental QB.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:39 AM   #261
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Anyone who has watched the games should know that the Chiefs are lucky to be 3-0.
Pure ****ing bullshit.

Teams make their own "luck".

It doesn't just happen to them.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:39 AM   #263
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sorry, I've already said too much
It's cool.

I'm a white guy that attended an HBC.

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I did spend a metric-phuq-ton of time with white gay men, black "down low" men, and mostly women (WINNING!)

So I'm pretty ok with my gay. I'm not so much up with the bi thing.

Not really for or against just ignorant of the whole deal...
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:42 AM   #264
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I don't think we'll see it before 2016 or 2017. Even without an extension, they're fully invested in Alex Smith.

I also think they'll give Tyler Bray plenty of time, based on what I heard from camp.
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The only problem I see with the running game is we don't use it enough.

Two good reasons to run more:

A) We have a ****ing fantastic HB.

B) Smith is an excellent play action passer. He's good selling the fake and he's not afraid to attempt deep passes on first down (out of play action.)
Goddammit, people: The interior of the offensive line is complete and utter ASS. How many play have been run to the right, where Eric Fisher is getting his ass handed to him?

Until this offensive line plays better as a unit, the offense as a whole is going to struggle.

Do any of you guys even watch the games?
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It's cool.

I'm a white guy that attended an HBC.

For 10 years (**** you GWB for ending my free ride.)

Studying Literature and Poetry (mostly 19th century European, which I was not fond of *but the Irish - as they always do - find a way to make it a ride.*)

Sadly, I isn't a prof.

I did spend a metric-phuq-ton of time with white gay men, black "down low" men, and mostly women (WINNING!)

So I'm pretty ok with my gay. I'm not so much up with the bi thing.

Not really for or against just ignorant of the whole deal...
Cool. My under grad was a double major in English/Psych. Be who you gotta be
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Completely disagree. After we go 10-7 and get face raped in our 1st playoff game we need to trade up and get a solid 3-technique to replace Tyson Jackson (who we'll cut to sign a new FB and TE in free agency...)
Yeah, better to go 2-14 again
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:44 AM   #268
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Chicago.

San Diego.

Philly.

All teams with new offensive philosophies, coaches and majority of new OLmen.

Also, all teams scoring 26+ PPG.

No excuses.
No excuses? You mean please no facts and reason?

Chicago
3 D/ST TDs
Grabbed 11 TO

You know the thing that has been mentioned 100 times how it is carrying half the load for the KC offense.

OL is also protecting much better than last year.

San Diego scored 350 points last year.

Their #1 guy Antonio Gates is not hobbled.

OL is also protecting much better than last year.

Philly

They are playing wide-open. They got the physical specimens. McCoy, Jackson, and Vick.
It comes down to how consistent Vick is gonna play and how consent will his health be.

KC
You guys scored 211 points last year.

There is upside to what's been shown this year for sure.
Guys need to play better and getting a TE on the field that isn't bottom of the depth chart will help.
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Goddammit, people: The interior of the offensive line is complete and utter ASS. How many play have been run to the right, where Eric Fisher is getting his ass handed to him?

Until this offensive line plays better as a unit, the offense as a whole is going to struggle.

Do any of you guys even watch the games?

Agreed
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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.
I don't think you can just take away one team's defense points then re-insert them into the rankings while leaving in everyone else's defense points. How is that relevant?

Yeah the offense is weak, but I hate stupid stats like this.
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