The Fermi Paradox - Why we haven't been contacted by aliens

[Chief_For_Life58]

Interesting read. What's your opinion?


http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Some semi-literate person spitballing an idea.

I suppose "semi-literate" was your attempt at biting sarcasm, but I don't take that as an insult at all. I find the topic to be fascinating. So I actually have taken the time to read about a variety of fringe subjects, not in place of, but rather in addition to more traditional views regarding science and technology and the world.

I suppose I could have just laughed it all off years ago as tinfoil hat stuff (and honestly a good deal of it is), since it clearly did not fit the pre-packaged views that were programmed into me during my formative years. But I guess about the same time I began to question religion, I began to question what I see as a near mirror to religion in the scientific community. It's conservative, resistant to change, resistant to new ideas, too focused on maintaining the status quo rather than pushing the boundaries of discovery.

Your arbitrary dismissal of things you clearly have no interest in, and thus know very little about, is I think a great example of that. You already know everything there is to know, so why bother asking any questions.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I imagine in 500 years there will be some poor entry level schlub having to go through and categorize conversations on the ancient internet. He'll come across prognostications such as these and chuckle at our primitive ways of thinking and seeing the universe.

"Heh. They thought Vernon Gholston was a can't-miss pick

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I suppose "semi-literate" was your attempt at biting sarcasm, but I don't take that as an insult at all. I find the topic to be fascinating. So I actually have taken the time to read about a variety of fringe subjects, not in place of, but rather in addition to more traditional views regarding science and technology and the world.

I suppose I could have just laughed it all off years ago as tinfoil hat stuff (and honestly a good deal of it is), since it clearly did not fit the pre-packaged views that were programmed into me during my formative years. But I guess about the same time I began to question religion, I began to question what I see as a near mirror to religion in the scientific community. It's conservative, resistant to change, resistant to new ideas, too focused on maintaining the status quo rather than pushing the boundaries of discovery.

Your arbitrary dismissal of things you clearly have no interest in, and thus know very little about, is I think a great example of that. You already know everything there is to know, so why bother asking any questions.

As the great scientist Bill Nye said show me the evidence. Show me something concrete, anything that a person could point to as evidence. Not eye witness testimony because honestly eye witness testimony I give almost 0 credence too. Something concrete. I think it was Clinton that opened the files to see what was there and he said there was nothing to Roswell.

Here's the issue for Fermi's paradox, say there are about 300,000,000,000 stars in the Milky Way (the sort of median number). If you had an incredible ship that travels 10-20 light years in a day. Say you had 5 of these exploring the galaxy. How long before one of them would find us? Figuring even that somehow you could go to a couple systems a day and scan the entire system for life on all the 60+ moons of Saturn and all the planets in a half a day, how long would it take?

It would take 30,000,000,000 days to find us if we were the last planet and they did a absolutely perfect job of exploring. So let's look at a half of that figuring on average they should find us in the middle of the bell curve. So 15,000,000,000 days would be the average length of time to find us given 5 space craft that are beyond anything that is possible.

Given these parameters it would take just over 41,000,000 years to find us. That's with a fleet of ships that can each do 20 light years in a day. That's the isolation of space.

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I have no interest in stupid aliens. If Roswell was true they would have to be reeruned aliens. No thanks we have a bumper crop here.

They could have dropped a tie rod. You could be the smartest alien in your galaxy, but you still can't steer your spacecraft when you drop a tie rod.

Dinny

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

/ applause

I am not saying we are aliens, but we are aliens

[bevischief]

Buy me a beer or more and me I can talk about this.

[Rain Man]

Dave Lane talks all skeptically, but we all know what he's really looking for with that telescope of his. That's just disappointment in his voice right now because he hasn't found any ships yet.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

As the great scientist Bill Nye said show me the evidence. Show me something concrete, anything that a person could point to as evidence. Not eye witness testimony because honestly eye witness testimony I give almost 0 credence too. Something concrete. I think it was Clinton that opened the files to see what was there and he said there was nothing to Roswell.

Here's the issue for Fermi's paradox, say there are about 300,000,000,000 stars in the Milky Way (the sort of median number). If you had an incredible ship that travels 10-20 light years in a day. Say you had 5 of these exploring the galaxy. How long before one of them would find us? Figuring even that somehow you could go to a couple systems a day and scan the entire system for life on all the 60+ moons of Saturn and all the planets in a half a day, how long would it take?

It would take 30,000,000,000 days to find us if we were the last planet and they did a absolutely perfect job of exploring. So let's look at a half of that figuring on average they should find us in the middle of the bell curve. So 15,000,000,000 days would be the average length of time to find us given 5 space craft that are beyond anything that is possible.

Given these parameters it would take just over 41,000,000 years to find us. That's with a fleet of ships that can each do 20 light years in a day. That's the isolation of space.

Given the fact that Genesis has only happened once in the existence of our current tree of life in accordance with Darwinism, it's also a possibility that the % of planets it has happened on may not be as high as some believe...if at all.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Given the fact that Genesis has only happened once in the existence of our current tree of life in accordance with Darwinism, it's also a possibility that the % of planets it has happened on may not be as high as some believe...if at all.

I agree. If we do find it on Mars it does change the equation though.

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Given the fact that Genesis has only happened once in the existence of our current tree of life in accordance with Darwinism, it's also a possibility that the % of planets it has happened on may not be as high as some believe...if at all.

Whetever... Seriously think about this subject.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

They are among us

[Easy 6]

I'm not going back 2 days worth of posts to find out, but its surely a fact that I got slammed by a few people for my last entry... but the absolute, unequivocal, 100% truth is that their is enough extremely respected expert testimony on this to convict Gandhi for war crimes.

We're talking about very high ranking defense officials in countries like Belgium, Brazil, Canada and Russia... we're also talking about extremely respected American defense personnel, one of which I'll get to in a minute.

Throw in dozens of astronauts and cosmonauts, air traffic controllers, civilian pilots, astronomers, police, the former head of Project Blue Book Dr. J Allen Hynek and throw in literally 100's of other highly qualified observers through the years.

"Don't give me eyewitness testimony"... get the hell outta here with that shit, does it not matter WHO's testimony we're talking about.

Take for example Col. Charles Halt, base commander for one of the most important American military posts in Europe during the height of the cold war, a nuclear armed post... so this guy wasn't just some jackweed, he has done literally dozens of interviews stating loudly and clearly that Bentwaters was surveilled and otherwise harried over the course of atleast two nights.

Atleast two of his MP's, again, not just some yahoo's, but security clearance verified MP's for a nuclear armed post... approached, walked around and touched a UFO that had landed and even made detailed drawings of the hieroglyphs on its sides.

It was described as a triangle that looked like black glass with glowing red hieroglyphs, that shortly thereafter shot up through the tree's and out of sight right in front of the men.

That's just one of the better of 100's of rock lock, no doubt about it, ET visitations... so yeah, Fermi's Paradox is shit, if anything its a smokescreen to keep people from asking the real questions.

Fermi/know it all brainiacs of CP < Cold War Nuclear Commanders/astronauts/on and on and ooon it goes... I wont be laughed down by anyone on this, the laughs on YOU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I._Halt

[DaFace]

What in the world are you babbling about?

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DaFace

What in the world are you babbling about?

Oh man, not you too.

I've always liked you so I'll just let the facts speak for themselves.

[Rain Man]

I understand the rest of your post, but I'm completely confused about the Gandhi war crimes thing and don't see any other references to Gandhi in the thread. Can you enlighten me?