A mock draft that will make your heads explode

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe

For the trillionth time, the new CBA means there's virtually no risk. If Geno somehow does suck, get rid of him and draft a new one.

Actually, it means you no longer have to worry about drafting a position in the top 5 that you wouldn't normally draft that high because you'd have to pay him out the ass.

Not that you can magically waste a ****ing draft pick because you aren't going to have to pay them.

Jesus Christ people.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Actually, it means you no longer have to worry about drafting a position in the top 5 that you wouldn't normally draft that high because you'd have to pay him out the ass.

Not that you can magically waste a ****ing draft pick because you aren't going to have to pay them.

Jesus Christ people.

By all means, lets go out and draft an ILB #1 because "its not a wasted pick."

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by jd1020

By all means, lets go out and draft an ILB #1 because "its not a wasted pick."

I didn't say that, now did I?

I'm just saying if all of the top 5 QB's are on the same level, and the top 5 ILB's are not, merely as an example, why wouldn't we go get the best player at a position we need and then take a very minimalistic hit and get our QB second?

Furthermore, you guys aren't even considering for a moment that the new HC and FO will draft a guy they like, not BQBA with the #1 pick.

What happens if the Chiefs braintrust falls in love with Bray over Smith/etc?

Do you guys want them taking Bray first, a round ahead of his projection? or would you guys rather they take him in the second and use that first on a guy who can start today?

We have a lot of metrics to digest until the draft, and you guys are automatically assuming that Geno is the #1 pick of the draft because we need a QB, and only taking into consideration that need.

You guys haven't even begun to hypothesize the idea that perhaps our new HC won't like Geno, perhaps he likes another guy. Perhaps that HC might see the value play here, and knock out two needs by taking his QB in the second, instead of the first.

Crazy right?

[Thig Lyfe]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Actually, it means you no longer have to worry about drafting a position in the top 5 that you wouldn't normally draft that high because you'd have to pay him out the ass.

Not that you can magically waste a ****ing draft pick because you aren't going to have to pay them.

Jesus Christ people.

You're literally the only person in the world using this logic. Drafting a QB #1 is never "wasting a draft pick" even if the QB doesn't pan out; it's how 31 other goddamn teams in this league do business. It's how any legitimate team starts the rebuilding process. And the CBA means that you can draft a QB without the attendant risk of a bazillion dollar contract. There's literally no good reason to not draft a QB at #1 now, even if Luck and RGIII aren't available. YOU'RE GETTING THE MOST VALUABLE POSITION IN FOOTBALL AT A SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER PRICE. Using the #1 pick on a position that is 100x less valuable, like say ILB, makes no ****ing sense.

Of course, this will all be moot when Geno tears up the combine and all the so-called experts decide he's truly deserving of the top pick after all.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe

You're literally the only person in the world using this logic. Drafting a QB #1 is never "wasting a draft pick" even if the QB doesn't pan out; it's how 31 other goddamn teams in this league do business. It's how any legitimate team starts the rebuilding process. And the CBA means that you can draft a QB without the attendant risk of a bazillion dollar contract. There's literally no good reason to not draft a QB at #1 now, even if Luck and RGIII aren't available. YOU'RE GETTING THE MOST VALUABLE POSITION IN FOOTBALL AT A SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER PRICE. Using the #1 pick on a position that is 100x less valuable, like say ILB, makes no ****ing sense.

Of course, this will all be moot when Geno tears up the combine and all the so-called experts decide he's truly deserving of the top pick after all.

If you draft Manti Te'o at #1 and he becomes a HALL OF FAMER, this is an 8-win team.

If you draft Geno Smith at #1 and he's marginally better than Ryan Tannehill, this is an 8-win team.

[Nightfyre]

I will offer a sig-bet. I bet there are at least four QBs taken in the first round. Who wants to take me on?

[cdcox]

My house is in need of improvements. The house is too cold because the HVAC system is broken and it is poorly insulated. I have two options and both will cost the same:

1. I can get top of the line insulation and new energy efficient windows and a make do HVAC system. The insulation and window contractor has impeccable references in all the best neighborhoods. I'll have really really good insulation. But I'll have to settle for a used 5-year-old heat pump from a manufacturer that went out of business. The contractor is a guy that does it part time out of his garage. He supposedly knows his stuff, but can't give me any references.

2. I can get a new mid-range brand-name heat pump from a licensed contractor. Good references. But he's only been in business 2 years and the labor warranty would be invalid if he went out of business. I'll have enough left over to get better insulation in the attic too.

OPTION 1!!!!! /Exoter175

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I've never seen so many people quoted in one post.

Glad I could set the record for you

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

If its a mod they are wasting a lot of effort on this.

Not a mod, not a fake account, multi account, or anything like that.

Originally Posted by gta0012

Hate me all you want guys but I'm really scared we're going to reach for a QB who wouldn't be a first round pick in any of the past 5 years. I really want a franchise QB I'm just getting scared of how large a risk it will be with our pick.

Pretty much, just because we need a QB, doesn't mean we have to take him in the first round. If the top 8 QB's are all basically the same talent, why not wait until the second and get an immediate starter in the first as well? Bang for your buck baby.

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I will offer a sig-bet. I bet there are at least four QBs taken in the first round. Who wants to take me on?

**** yeah, lets do it. I need a fancy sig.

Originally Posted by cdcox

My house is in need of improvements. The house is too cold because the HVAC system is broken and it is poorly insulated. I have two options and both will cost the same:

1. I can get top of the line insulation and new energy efficient windows and a make do HVAC system. The insulation and window contractor has impeccable references in all the best neighborhoods. I'll have really really good insulation. But I'll have to settle for a used 5-year-old heat pump from a manufacturer that went out of business. The contractor is a guy that does it part time out of his garage. He supposedly knows his stuff, but can't give me any references.

2. I can get a new mid-range brand-name heat pump from a licensed contractor. Good references. But he's only been in business 2 years and the labor warranty would be invalid if he went out of business. I'll have enough left over to get better insulation in the attic too.

OPTION 1!!!!! /Exoter175

Worst analogy EVER.

As of this moment, whoever the talent is for the first QB taken in the draft, can have similar talent taken in the second round of the draft. That's why I'm not opposed to taking a guy like Te'o who won't be available in the second round, nor will his talent.

Believe me though, I want Geno to blow the **** up at the combine so we can justify spending that #1 pick on a QB, and shit all over the ****ing drafted QB curse we have in KC. Then I'll dance all over Pioli's grave as Clark sails this ship to the promised land.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

As of this moment, whoever the talent is for the first QB taken in the draft, can have similar talent taken in the second round of the draft. That's why I'm not opposed to taking a guy like Te'o who won't be available in the second round, nor will his talent.

Believe me though, I want Geno to blow the **** up at the combine so we can justify spending that #1 pick on a QB, and shit all over the ****ing drafted QB curse we have in KC. Then I'll dance all over Pioli's grave as Clark sails this ship to the promised land.

See the problem is a lot of people here already think Geno and Wilson are better than the guys that will be around in the 2nd round. I'm not settling for the 4th or 5th QB in the draft that is not as good(even if its not enormous), because of Teo or a LT.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

for one month after the first day of the draft then?

Sounds good to me

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

I saw it and my head didn't explode.

Right? Basically how I feel right now having watched Geno's final two games thinking.....this guy is supposed to be a cut above the rest? Only with our luck would we get this draft class with the #1 pick.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

See the problem is a lot of people here already think Geno and Wilson are better than the guys that will be around in the 2nd round. I'm not settling for the 4th or 5th QB in the draft that is not as good(even if its not enormous), because of Teo or a LT.

The problem with that is the rest of the world doesn't agree. There are Mocks that have 1 QB in the first, 4, 2, 3, none. 4 different QB's listed as the first QB pick. Hell, 6 months ago, Geno was THE guy. He was hands down the unanimous pick for the #1 QB taken, now that isn't the case and I've seen Mocks with him in the second round.

What that says to me is that there is no consensus. This time last year and all year before that, there was no doubt that Luck/RG3 were #1/#2 QB's taken. Not so much this year.

This draft reminds me more of the Browns, when they went and grabbed who was it? Joe Thomas, Left Tackle, then traded up to draft Brady Quinn 1 spot ahead of Kansas City before we drafted him, which I believe was still a Carl Peterson team and he went on record to say he would have drafted him at that spot too.

I'm just saying as of right now, I think Te'O is hands down the best at his position, and I think we can easily get one of the best players in this draft, as well as a young talented QB who is "on par" with everyone else in this draft class, at the number 2 spot.

Admittedly, I do have a lot of video to watch on Smith and Bray, so that could change. But what I have seen so far, I'm not sure there is enough separation to say without a doubt, that Geno is the #1 guy hands down. Although, that being said, from the 4 games I've watched this year with Geno, I'm not opposed to him being a Chief at all, I do like him as a QB, but I don't love him yet. And that could change with time and with more metrics.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Sounds good to me



Right? Basically how I feel right now having watched Geno's final two games thinking.....this guy is supposed to be a cut above the rest? Only with our luck would we get this draft class with the #1 pick.



The problem with that is the rest of the world doesn't agree. There are Mocks that have 1 QB in the first, 4, 2, 3, none. 4 different QB's listed as the first QB pick. Hell, 6 months ago, Geno was THE guy. He was hands down the unanimous pick for the #1 QB taken, now that isn't the case and I've seen Mocks with him in the second round.

What that says to me is that there is no consensus. This time last year and all year before that, there was no doubt that Luck/RG3 were #1/#2 QB's taken. Not so much this year.

This draft reminds me more of the Browns, when they went and grabbed who was it? Joe Thomas, Left Tackle, then traded up to draft Brady Quinn 1 spot ahead of Kansas City before we drafted him, which I believe was still a Carl Peterson team and he went on record to say he would have drafted him at that spot too.

I'm just saying as of right now, I think Te'O is hands down the best at his position, and I think we can easily get one of the best players in this draft, as well as a young talented QB who is "on par" with everyone else in this draft class, at the number 2 spot.

Admittedly, I do have a lot of video to watch on Smith and Bray, so that could change. But what I have seen so far, I'm not sure there is enough separation to say without a doubt, that Geno is the #1 guy hands down. Although, that being said, from the 4 games I've watched this year with Geno, I'm not opposed to him being a Chief at all, I do like him as a QB, but I don't love him yet. And that could change with time and with more metrics.

That's not what I meant, what I mean is the mock drafturbator is so ****ing worthless he doesn't deserve his own thread much less an exploding head reaction when GENO will be a CHIEF with the 1st overrall pick.

[Imon Yourside]

I saw it and my head didn't explode.

[Nightfyre]

for one month after the first day of the draft then?

[KCrockaholic]

Kenny Vaccaro going 5th overall....

W. T. FUUUUUU

[NJChiefsFan]

The problem is that the rookie wage scale has changed the scenario that existed the year the Browns did that. The risk with a QB has dropped a ton. When you consider how important a QB is I don't think its a hard decision. Geno/Siler vs. Bray/Teo. I don't have to think twice about that. You are much more likely to find an impact ILB later in the draft, in FA, or hell, undrafted ie. the guy Teo would be replacing.

We have 3 very good LB's. We won't be killed if the 4th isn't amazing. We can't **** around getting a QB. I think its foolish to be alright taking the 3rd or 4th, maybe 5th QB in the draft so we can improve another position. ILB isn't even our second most important position. You could argue that besides CB its behind DE and S.