Ed Harris takes Top villain role in HBOs "Westworld" reboot

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Ugh. Well the multiple time periods (they aren't timelines) is confirmed, which I didn't want to happen. But I'm rolling with it and the episode was fantastic. I'm now leaning towards: Arnold instigated the massacre by creating the original 'reverie' code in hosts with artificial bicameral minds. When they would start going nuts they'd go to the church and enter the confessional, transport down to therapy rooms, and be counseled by Arnold. He knew that there was a problem with this situation but kept it going because he came to believe that the hosts were sentient. Ford warned him against this and pointed out how dangerous it would be.

At some point this backfired on Arnold and Dolores killed him. My guess is that she snaps and starts killing people, that she is 'Wyatt.' Perhaps she went through the same arc that Maeve has gone through and started viewing humans as the enemy. I'm thinking that she found out the real nature of the park from Arnold and killed him, or that Arnold did something to provoke her into it, or that Ford did something to provoke her into it by setting up a storyline where Dolores would kill Arnold unless he rolled her back to a more controllable state. In that last scenario Arnold refuses and Ford considers it a suicide.

I got the impression that Teddy is Wyatt from this episode. He remembers killing the town. He is wearing a sheriff's badge, and wouldn't that be just like a theme park named Westworld to have a sheriff named Wyatt.

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

I got the impression that Teddy is Wyatt from this episode. He remembers killing the town. He is wearing a sheriff's badge, and wouldn't that be just like a theme park named Westworld to have a sheriff named Wyatt.

I mean that I think Dolores snapping and going on a killing spree is the inspiration for the Wyatt myth that Ford implanted in Teddy. I'm not even sure if Teddy was actually there when it happened. It would be fun either way though. Only one more episode left and then nothing for a year or so? Kinda sucks.

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Originally Posted by listopencil

I mean that I think Dolores snapping and going on a killing spree is the inspiration for the Wyatt myth that Ford implanted in Teddy. I'm not even sure if Teddy was actually there when it happened. It would be fun either way though. Only one more episode left and then nothing for a year or so? Kinda sucks.

I'm not sure if Delores goes on a killing spree. We know she killed Arnold, and I think is probably the one Teddy is talking about when he says something to the effect of "he went away for a while, and came back with some strange ideas." Which refers to her meetings with Arnold. So in that sense, she is kind of Wyatt. But I think the bulk of the story Teddy remembers about Wyatt is stuff he actually has done himself.

But did Delores really, physically kill Arnold, or is her becoming sentient just the reason he was killed? Did Ford find out about Delores and Arnold's meetings, and then take over Teddy like "the devil" and have him go on a killing spree that took out Arnold in the process? Maybe something to that effect.

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

I'm not sure if Delores goes on a killing spree. We know she killed Arnold, and I think is probably the one Teddy is talking about when he says something to the effect of "he went away for a while, and came back with some strange ideas." Which refers to her meetings with Arnold. So in that sense, she is kind of Wyatt. But I think the bulk of the story Teddy remembers about Wyatt is stuff he actually has done himself.

But did Delores really, physically kill Arnold, or is her becoming sentient just the reason he was killed? Did Ford find out about Delores and Arnold's meetings, and then take over Teddy like "the devil" and have him go on a killing spree that took out Arnold in the process? Maybe something to that effect.

I'm thinking that Ford knew about Arnold's meetings with Dolores, that they were working together towards making Westworld seems as real as possible; Ford using storylines and Arnold concentrating on the hosts themselves. I'm completely suspicious of Teddy's involvement since Ford installed the Wyatt story in him.

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Originally Posted by listopencil

I'm thinking that Ford knew about Arnold's meetings with Dolores, that they were working together towards making Westworld seems as real as possible; Ford using storylines and Arnold concentrating on the hosts themselves. I'm completely suspicious of Teddy's involvement since Ford installed the Wyatt story in him.

Ford installed a Wyatt story, not the Wyatt story. When the whore that used to be the door greeter talks to Teddy, he starts to remember what really happened, and he is no longer wearing a military outfit, but a sheriff's outfit and he isn't killing soldiers, he is killing townspeople.

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

Ford installed a Wyatt story, not the Wyatt story. When the whore that used to be the door greeter talks to Teddy, he starts to remember what really happened, and he is no longer wearing a military outfit, but a sheriff's outfit and he isn't killing soldiers, he is killing townspeople.

Yep, you're right, I'd forgotten about the switch from soldier to sheriff. But I thought they were killing townspeople as well in his flashbacks before then? I might be confusing Dolores flashbacks with Teddy flashbacks.

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Yep, you're right, I'd forgotten about the switch from soldier to sheriff. But I thought they were killing townspeople as well in his flashbacks before then? I might be confusing Dolores flashbacks with Teddy flashbacks.

I'm pretty sure in the earlier flashbacks, Teddy was wearing a blue soldier outfit and killing guys in blue soldier outfits — so killing his own people. Later he is a sheriff killing the townspeople. Killing his own people.

The memories Ford implanted for his new story arc have all seemed to parallel actual events, but obviously he changed some stuff. And my guess is he invented Wyatt as a separate entity that has some parallel to things both Delores and Teddy actually did. Delores with her "strange ideas" and Teddy with his killing spree.

Now what actually caused Teddy to go on the killing spree is an even bigger leap at this point, but saying he felt "possessed by the devil" sure sounds like Ford made him do it, just like he had Bernard kill a couple of people.