Ellen Page is gay

[Fish]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Other than a questionable study that measured 'penis circumference' in an obviously staged atmosphere, this is largely bullshit. I haven't seen a lot of evidence at all that people who hate gays are all secretly harboring love for men. It's obviously a bullshit counter argument meant to attack their masculinity, which makes it no different than gay bashing really. You're just like that kid calling someone a 'pillowbiter' because you think they're wimpy.

You know they did a study once about how men's brains react to man on man sex. This is, really, the only kind of homosexuality that really outrages men. They found that there's an interesting brain reaction to the average man when he sees and image of two dudes butt ****ing... aggression.

Even the most liberal and socially progressive folks in the world... if they were not gay the basic response was the same as if they felt threatened by something.

I can't explain why there is a response like that, but it makes more sense than "if you hate something you secretly love that thing!"

That applies to absolutely nothing. At all. We don't claim people who hate black people secretly want to have sex with them. They're just assholes.

FYI... you're doing the same thing you're accusing him of. At least he provided links to the study in post #655....

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Fish

FYI... you're doing the same thing you're accusing him of. At least he provided links to the study in post #655....

That's the same study I"m talking about. I know that this silly study, which was designed around reaching a specific conclusion, exists. Now let's apply common sense... does anything ELSE increase bloodflow that could make your cock expand a bit? There are a multitude of things that can cause it aside from sexual arousal... you know things like nervousness, stress, anger, and even fear. Ya think MAYBE these things could impact a study that is targeting people who are nervous, stressed, angry and fearful of gay people? Measuring penis circumference is not a good way to tell if someone is aroused, and a slight increase is NOT a boner. It's not scientific. It's dick measuring. Just stop and IMAGINE this thing taking place.

It's a bullshit study designed to justify a bullshit argument. However since it reaches the desired conclusion (which is to, again, emasculate people by calling them gay... which seems counter to the whole 'supportive of gay people' position) it's often cited and is plastered all over the ****ing internet.

I'm looking for the study I'm talking about, but I did find the study which imaged people's brains under similar circumstances (also with various control groups) to be far more reliable than a dick measuring session. If I can't find it... believe what you want. I view you as a pretty empirically minded guy, so honestly I'm surprised you'd buy into such a silly agenda driven study.

Look, I'm fully supportive of gay folks. Get married, adopt babies (a lot of kids need homes you assholes and a gay couple is better than 'the system' that created charlie Manson)... I'm all for it. If you want to get to the root of why people hate gays, the best place to start is by being honest about it. They're not harboring secret man lust. They're assholes.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

That's the same study I"m talking about. I know that this silly study, which was designed around reaching a specific conclusion, exists. Now let's apply common sense... does anything ELSE increase bloodflow that could make your cock expand a bit? There are a multitude of things that can cause it aside from sexual arousal... you know things like nervousness, stress, anger, and even fear. Ya think MAYBE these things could impact a study that is targeting people who are nervous, stressed, angry and fearful of gay people? Measuring penis circumference is not a good way to tell if someone is aroused, and a slight increase is NOT a boner. It's not scientific. It's dick measuring. Just stop and IMAGINE this thing taking place.

It's a bullshit study designed to justify a bullshit argument. However since it reaches the desired conclusion (which is to, again, emasculate people by calling them gay... which seems counter to the whole 'supportive of gay people' position) it's often cited and is plastered all over the ****ing internet.

I'm looking for the study I'm talking about, but I did find the study which imaged people's brains under similar circumstances (also with various control groups) to be far more reliable than a dick measuring session. If I can't find it... believe what you want. I view you as a pretty empirically minded guy, so honestly I'm surprised you'd buy into such a silly agenda driven study.

Look, I'm fully supportive of gay folks. Get married, adopt babies... I'm all for it. If you want to get to the root of why people hate gays, the best place to start is by being honest about it.

There's plenty of other studies that support the notion of some homophobic behavior being linked to denial or unacknowledged homosexual desires.

Take a look at these:

http://www.livescience.com/19563-hom...mosexuals.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...-+ScienceDaily)

http://www.ncbi..nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

http://her.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/1/97.full

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Fish

There's plenty of other studies that support the notion of some homophobic behavior being linked to denial or unacknowledged homosexual desires.

Take a look at these:

http://www.livescience.com/19563-hom...mosexuals.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...-+ScienceDaily)

http://www.ncbi..nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

http://her.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/1/97.full

Firstly I'm not saying it's a non occurrence, I'm saying it's not the norm. I also find the supporting studies to be flimsy. However I'll read these and give you my immediate reaction, given I literally am bored out of my ****ing mind right now.

Link #1 is basically a word association game where conclusions were reached based on the reaction time. There is nothing that could be reached conclusively by these methods. Again, the whole thing seems DESIGNED around reaching a certain conclusion. I suppose one could call that a prediction, but the means to achieve it is hardly convincing to me.

Okay, so I'll move on to link #2. ... That's the same study as link 1. Two papers about the same study are not multiple examples man. You're better than that. I'm not reading all of that.

Okay I'll move on to link #3 This is the penis measuring study! Do you find any reason, after the facts I provided about how your penis responds to various emotions, to still think this is a valid study? They could not control the variables. It's flawed.

Okay, how about link #4 This is about self loathing homosexuals and how it impacts their health in a negative way. It's not about closet homosexuals venting rage on gay people. Interesting read, but not even on topic.

You didn't expect me to actually read those links did you? You're better than this man. While I can't convince you of what I read (I wish I could find that ****in' link) I insist it's methods were far superior to these two studies.