Cardinals 2018 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 143

**BigRedChief** · 02:21 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

O.city · 07-17-2018, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't see a magical small ass chance either way at this point.

Perhaps had we been able to get one of them in the offseason, but honestly Matheny would've just made him miserable and run him off either way.

No, unless you have a time machine that can take us back to 2014 and we can do what we should've done (and what the Cubs had the stones to do) and fire Matheny to bring on Maddon, there's no way we could've pulled it off.

I'd convinced myself that some fresh faces and winning games could get that miserable despot to be less of a buzzkill. As it turns out, there's nobody he can't beat the fun out of. Matheny murdered any of those dreams in the womb.

Yeah, theres no way either come now.

As I said earlier in the thread, I wish they'd try and bring in Francona but theres no chance he's leaving.

DJ's left nut · 07-17-2018, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I honestly have no idea what Harper is going to do, I think there's a decent change he stays in Washington.

I don't think the odds are as long as most say.

Ted Lerner is a 92 year old billionaire. What the hell does he care if he gives Harper $50 million more than he should? He's not gonna live to spend it.

Ultimately Harper may leave some money on the table to go to his childhood favorite Yankees or play with his Vegas buddy Bryant (I'm pretty sure it was Bryant), but I don't think the Nationals will simply get outbid.

And Harpers ties to Washington are awfully strong. In fact, before the emergence of Soto, I'd have given the odds as being more likely than not that he stays. Now I guess it's possible that Lerner could decide that an OF of Eaton, Robles and Soto is fine and that money should be reallocated to pitching or something.

DJ's left nut · 07-17-2018, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, theres no way either come now.

As I said earlier in the thread, I wish they'd try and bring in Francona but theres no chance he's leaving.

I'm gobsmacked by the job that Kevin Cash has done. What an absolute homerun hire he's been for TB.

He just goes out there outgunned day in, day out, in the most brutal division in baseball and wins a fair number of ballgames. His 'ace' is a pussy and anytime they develop a hitter or closer, they get dealt. They lost arguably the best pitching coach in baseball and replace him with Kyle Snyder (yes - THAT Kyle Snyder; the Royals flameout - **** I feel old) and suddenly Blake Snell becomes a friggen horse.

The guy just keeps turning chicken shit into chicken salad. He's done a remarkable job. But sadly, the Rays picked up his option so his in TB through next season.

jd1020 · 07-17-2018, 03:11 PM

Don't forget that his dog is named Wrigley.

Machado is also really close with Albert Almora.

Gonna be a fun off-season but I don't think either come to the Cubs.

One year too soon. The year to move Heyward to make room would be next year. Would have been disgusting if the Cubs got Machado and then unloaded Russell for pitching.

Chief Roundup · 07-17-2018, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

You could do a lot worse than Dusty Baker

So you wish they would have kept him in Chicago?

VAChief · 07-17-2018, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Why because his father started throwing pitches before the rules state he is suppose to and Bryce told him to speed it up?

I dont even care. I dont even watch the HR derby and only tuned in for the final round to see if Schwarber won. Harper would have probably beat him without the bullshit anyways.

I've thought for a long time that its absolutely stupid to reset the HRs for each round. It's a HR derby... You get 4 mins + 30 seconds to hit as many HRs in each round as you can. Didn't Bryce hit 2nd every round? So as soon as he hit 1 more than the other guy he got to stop. Schwarber hit 8 more HRs than him and had the most swings on the night and was visibly exhausted by the time he was winding down his final round.

I was joking, but yeah you don’t care.

**BigRedChief** · 07-17-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Bellagio is....not smart.

He's not attending the game as he's back in Florida with his wife who's likely going to have twins 2 months premature.

So, y'know, they should probably update their odds since he won't be on the field and all...

He has tried to come in here and start some shit twice now and failed miserably at his trolling.

**BigRedChief** · 07-17-2018, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No, unless you have a time machine that can take us back to 2014 and we can do what we should've done (and what the Cubs had the stones to do) and fire Matheny to bring on Maddon, there's no way we could've pulled it off.

I wanted to hire Madden instead of Matheny. The fans down here loved him. He was said to the best in the game but because he was in Tampa, no one knew. You can check the Cardinals thread. On this one, I was right.

jd1020 · 07-17-2018, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

So you wish they would have kept him in Chicago?

How does one come to that conclusion?

Rams Fan · 07-17-2018, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No, unless you have a time machine that can take us back to 2014 and we can do what we should've done (and what the Cubs had the stones to do) and fire Matheny to bring on Maddon, there's no way we could've pulled it off.

The two situations that you're referencing were not the same whatsoever.

Matheny had just finished his third season as manager in which he oversaw the club making the postseason for the third time in three season.

Renteria was a first year manager, who while a very good choice for manager and was probably a good fit for the Cubs at the time, was just that. A first year manager.

Firing a first time manager in his third season after making the POs three seasons in a row in his first three seasons managing a team would have been asinine.

Whether or not hiring Matheny was a good long term move by the Cardinals can be debated, but not firing a guy who just made the POs his first three seasons as manager is not something worth arguing about. The Cubs deserve credit for having the "stones" to fire, by all accounts, a good baseball coach for an even better one after year 1. If the Cardinals had fired Matheny for Maddon, while Maddon is a better manager, would have created an incredibly toxic environment for the club, IMO.

If anything, complain how the front office chose Matheny over Francona.

jd1020 · 07-17-2018, 08:33 PM

Can report with more certainty: Machado to #Dodgers happening. Among remaining questions, in addition to specifics of return beyond OF Yusniel Diaz: How much money, if any, #Orioles will send #Dodgers to secure a better package and help ease LAD’s luxury-tax concerns.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) July 18, 2018

Well there's that. Glad it wasnt the Brewers.

jd1020 · 07-17-2018, 10:21 PM

Machado deal to dodgers is agreed upon, tho could be still some medical/approval to go. Press conference slated for Wednesday or Thursday. Many prospects going to orioles (believed to be 5). No $ in deal (LA will remain under threshold anyway)
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) July 18, 2018

5? That's a lot of bodies.

**The Franchise** · 07-17-2018, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Machado deal to dodgers is agreed upon, tho could be still some medical/approval to go. Press conference slated for Wednesday or Thursday. Many prospects going to orioles (believed to be 5). No $ in deal (LA will remain under threshold anyway)
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) July 18, 2018

5? That's a lot of bodies.

As a Dodgers fan....I can’t even get excited about this. I know we’re just going to lose in he playoffs again.

jd1020 · 07-17-2018, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

As a Dodgers fan....I can’t even get excited about this. I know we’re just going to lose in he playoffs again.

Probably makes you the best team in the NL unless the Cubs starting pitchers get their shit together and Rizzo gets out of his season long funk.

But whoever makes it out of the NL is probably just gonna get their shit pushed in by whoever makes it out of the AL in the WS.

**BigRedChief** · 07-18-2018, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

As a Dodgers fan....I can’t even get excited about this. I know we’re just going to lose in he playoffs again.

Why? Thats a helluva replacement for Seagar. Who's better than your team?

I think your the clear favorite to go to the WS and get embarrassed by the AL.

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07-17-2018, 03:11 PM	#2134
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7742645	Don't forget that his dog is named Wrigley. Machado is also really close with Albert Almora. Gonna be a fun off-season but I don't think either come to the Cubs. One year too soon. The year to move Heyward to make room would be next year. Would have been disgusting if the Cubs got Machado and then unloaded Russell for pitching.
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jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7742645	Can report with more certainty: Machado to #Dodgers happening. Among remaining questions, in addition to specifics of return beyond OF Yusniel Diaz: How much money, if any, #Orioles will send #Dodgers to secure a better package and help ease LAD’s luxury-tax concerns. — Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) July 18, 2018 Well there's that. Glad it wasnt the Brewers.
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07-17-2018, 10:21 PM	#2142
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7742645	Machado deal to dodgers is agreed upon, tho could be still some medical/approval to go. Press conference slated for Wednesday or Thursday. Many prospects going to orioles (believed to be 5). No $ in deal (LA will remain under threshold anyway) — Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) July 18, 2018 5? That's a lot of bodies.
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