I think its time for the Cassel doubters to eat their crow

[RedThat]

The kid deserves some respect.

After todays game Im starting to believe in the guy as our quarterback. He just displayed a true testament of toughness out there and leadership.

To some people I understand its about him leading us to the playoffs and winning the superbowl in order for them to be satisfied...yada yada yada

Im not going to go by that mindset at all. I look at this game and I see the way he played and it tells me a lot about his character. We should be proud. We got a pretty good quarterback folks. That 2nd round pick we gave up was well worth it.

I think composure, toughness, and leadership are key attributes for a quarterback. Cassel has those qualities and I also love the fact that he plays with passion too.

However, I believe the number one attribute as a quarterback is the ability to respond under pressure. So now I don't want to jump the gun here and say he has that capability, but I will say, after coming back from an appendectomy and performing the way he did, is a great sign and a step in the direction towards performing well under pressure. So far so good Matt. Keep up the good work you sure as heck got my support.

[Earthling]

oops. Didn't read far enough but has been adressed already. My bad.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by |Zach|

What does the Jets having Revis have to do with us being outmatched in every phase of the game like you said.

Have you seen the Jets play with your eyes?

The Jets are a terrific team that gets inconsistent play from their QB and an inconsistent pass rush.

-They have arguably the best offensive line in the game
-They are a team that can run on any team at will
-They have better downfield threats than the Chiefs do
-They have a shutdown corner who will take Bowe entirely out of the game
-While they have an inconsistent QB, they also have an offensive line that (against our pass rush) is going to give Sanchez about 15 seconds to throw the ball

The Chiefs are going to have to piece together a whale of a game to win. Either that or hope that Sanchez completely chokes under pressure, which is entirely in the realm of possibility. I think a win is entirely possible, but that's either because their QB is really bad or they beat themselves.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

C'mon.

Yes, Mo ran the wrong route.

But that doesn't mean that Cassel still has to deliver the ball to an area with 5 blue jerseys in it.

Bad on Mo, bad on Cassel.

maybe he should have checked down instead so he could have been chastised for that, too

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

C'mon.

Yes, Mo ran the wrong route.

But that doesn't mean that Cassel still has to deliver the ball to an area with 5 blue jerseys in it.

Bad on Mo, bad on Cassel.

Unless you can see the entire play from Cassel's POV at real time you can't really say that.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Look up 'straw man' in a basic critical thinking text book. Look at my post..Then look at the bolded part of YOUR post. I never said in my post anything about people WANTING him to fail...

You are the one making straw man arguments, but perhaps you are so stupid you don't even know what that means....Take 5 minutes, go back and read what I wrote...Then read your pile of feces.

All I said is people were saying a bunch of negative shit about Cassel....They ended up being wrong...

Are you going on record that you've never said some of us want him to fail just to be right?

If you are, and that's accurate, I apologize, but I have a pretty good memory.

[Hootie]

he may have forced a throw but you can't have it both ways

do you guys want a conservative checkdown QB on 3rd and long or a guy who willt ry and look off the coverage a bit and make a play that isn't necessarily there?

I mean...

a lot of the times you guys paint lose/lose situations for players

[Hootie]

for instance

Haley's decision to go for it 4th and 1 in our own territory...

we got it, and it changed the game

had we not gotten it...

he would have been verbally gang raped by the masses at ChiefsPlanet

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The Jets are a terrific team that gets inconsistent play from their QB and an inconsistent pass rush.

-They have arguably the best offensive line in the game
-They are a team that can run on any team at will
-They have better downfield threats than the Chiefs do
-They have a shutdown corner who will take Bowe entirely out of the game
-While they have an inconsistent QB, they also have an offensive line that (against our pass rush) is going to give Sanchez about 15 seconds to throw the ball

The Chiefs are going to have to piece together a whale of a game to win. Either that or hope that Sanchez completely chokes under pressure, which is entirely in the realm of possibility. I think a win is entirely possible, but that's either because their QB is really bad or they beat themselves.

Hilarity.

If you were a Jets fan right now you would be talking about how they are going to have to have an amazing game to compete with the Chiefs in Arrowhead. Because you would be picking apart all of the crappy things (and there are a lot) have been doing and overlooking the Chiefs flaws.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He'll need a playoff win at some point, not necessarily this year, IMO What he cannot be is the reason we lose a playoff game.

I'd be willing to start at just playing like a franchise QB, (making big plays at crucial times, carrying the team should the running game fail, willing his team to win, etc) in a game against a very good opponent.

I'm going to go back to how I define a franchise QB.

A franchise QB is the unquestioned leader of his team.

That comes from respect of teammates and how they respond to thier QB.

Until to day, I would not have called Cassel the unquestioned leader of this team but the way this team stepped up and started playing with purpose when Cassel showed heart, he assumed that mantle of leadership.

Comebacks are engineered by QBs who have the belief of the team.

QBs that can pick up a team and make plays when all else fails are the ones that have the team behind them.

We won't know until we see it, but I believe we now have a team and a QB with that kind of chemistry.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Are you going on record that you've never said some of us want him to fail just to be right?

If you are, and that's accurate, I apologize, but I have a pretty good memory.

No but again you are using a straw man....You claimed I said the VAST MAJORITY want him to fail...You also are bringing up something from a completely different thread..out of context...you implied I said that in this thread, also.

Shall I quote your lying ass?

Are you really this ****ign reeruned ? You accuse me of using a straw man argument when I wasn't, then you proceed to use two straw man arguments in a row...Seriously you are a ****ing moron. Please look up straw man arguments on like wikipedia before you make yourself look like even more of an idiot...

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by |Zach|

Hilarity.

If you were a Jets fan right now you would be talking about how they are going to have to have an amazing game to compete with the Chiefs in Arrowhead. Because you would be picking apart all of the crappy things (and there are a lot) have been doing and overlooking the Chiefs flaws.

Could the Jets beat us? Absolutely. But the idea that they are on some higher plane and we would need an amazing game just to play with them is silly.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Unless you can see the entire play from Cassel's POV at real time you can't really say that.

It was a timing route and Bowe was supposed to come open on the cross.

From what I could tell watching it a few times Moeaki ****ed up and brought the defender across in front of Bowe.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'm going to go back to how I define a franchise QB.

A franchise QB is the unquestioned leader of his team.

That comes from respect of teammates and how they respond to thier QB.

Until to day, I would not have called Cassel the unquestioned leader of this team but the way this team stepped up and started playing with purpose when Cassel showed heart, he assumed that mantle of leadership.

Comebacks are engineered by QBs who have the belief of the team.

QBs that can pick up a team and make plays when all else fails are the ones that have the team behind them.

We won't know until we see it, but I believe we now have a team and a QB with that kind of chemistry.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It could be argue that the running game has lead this team to this point.

On a related note, as I sit here and watch Pittsburgh gash the Jets on the ground, I hope we draw the Jets should we make the playoffs.

That defense is getting worse by the week.

I agree. The Jets are probably the best matchup for us certainly better than facing the Chargers again

[Hootie]

if there is one team I would want to play at Arrowhead round 1 in the playoffs...

it's the Jets

they are more of a layup than the Titans next week

we would win by 10+