Brian Orakpo

[RustShack]

Sounds like a freak, but does being so strong and not really all that tall and long make him a LE instead of the elite pass rushing RE we are looking for?

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Claythan

That's just it. You're scared.

Scared, Well I don't want to reach for something that could secured earlier with a player who's regarded as BPA when we pick. If that is "scared" fine, I just don't want to reach.

[googlegoogle]

Orakpo = Tamba Hali.

Not impressed.

[88TG88]

Originally Posted by Claythan

That's just it. If you have a great front office and coaching staff you don't "hope" a third-rounder will pan out. You know.

We have probably the worst FO in football.

I think, if Stafford and Orkapo is gone we should look at the guy from Bama or Oher.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Because you have a great player at the LT position for years to come. You do not move him, have him learn a new position that he may not be suited for (he's not a dominating run blocking tackle) just so you can draft a guy who MIGHT be as good as Albert at LT.

Debating with Tribal Warfare is like debating with a recording.

He never chnages his argument.
It's always exactly the same as it was 6 months ago.

Most of us can adjust our thinking as the situation changes.
TW can't.

[talastan]

It's pretty obvious IMO. We either pick up a QB, or DE. The DE position has some pretty strong canidates for top 10 pick, and if by some miracle Detriot actually passes up Stafford, then you pick him. RT and RG can be had in later rounds, or draft a good C and move Niswanger to RG. The right side of the O-line will actually be a lot easier to fill than the left. As for DE, This IMO is where we need to go. Johnson, Orakpo, or Brown (if he declares) all are good prospects to consider. Our _efense needs a pass rusher desperately.

[Infidel Goat]

BPA.

That is all.

[MIAdragon]

Originally Posted by googlegoogle

Orakpo = Tamba Hali.

Not impressed.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by talastan

It's pretty obvious IMO. We either pick up a QB, or DE. The DE position has some pretty strong canidates for top 10 pick, and if by some miracle Detriot actually passes up Stafford, then you pick him. RT and RG can be had in later rounds, or draft a good C and move Niswanger to RG. The right side of the O-line will actually be a lot easier to fill than the left. As for DE, This IMO is where we need to go. Johnson, Orakpo, or Brown (if he declares) all are good prospects to consider. Our _efense needs a pass rusher desperately.

Absolutely not. You only take a QB or a DE that grades out as a top 5 or top 10 pick. It has to be a mix between BPA and need. BPA would have you take a left tackle, which is stupid. Drafting for need would have you take a DE that might not even grade as a top 10 pick.

I will NEVER understand the reservation behind trading down, even if you don't get full value. The best players that fit the Chiefs right now are in the bottom half of the top 10: Orakpo, Maualuga, Laurinitis, Mays. And yet people on this board would rather reach for a 2nd rate prospect or force a LT in the rotation when we already have one?

Trade down. Trade down. Trade down. There has never been a better time. Outside of Stafford, the best players on the board are left tackles and Crabtree, all of which are players the Chiefs don't need. After that, it's probably a CB, which the Chiefs also don't need. If Stafford is gone and assuming no position players absolutely floor the combine, there is no justification whatsoever to stick around. If the Chiefs draft Maualuga or Laurinitis and get an extra second rounder out of it, that is one hell of a play with the first round pick.

[talastan]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Absolutely not. You only take a QB or a DE that grades out as a top 5 or top 10 pick. It has to be a mix between BPA and need. BPA would have you take a left tackle, which is stupid. Drafting for need would have you take a DE that might not even grade as a top 10 pick.

I will NEVER understand the reservation behind trading down, even if you don't get full value. The best players that fit the Chiefs right now are in the bottom half of the top 10: Orakpo, Maualuga, Laurinitis, Mays. And yet people on this board would rather reach for a 2nd rate prospect or force a LT in the rotation when we already have one?

Trade down. Trade down. Trade down. There has never been a better time. Outside of Stafford, the best players on the board are left tackles and Crabtree, all of which are players the Chiefs don't need. After that, it's probably a CB, which the Chiefs also don't need. If Stafford is gone and assuming no position players absolutely floor the combine, there is no justification whatsoever to stick around. If the Chiefs draft Maualuga or Laurinitis and get an extra second rounder out of it, that is one hell of a play with the first round pick.

Sorry I wasn't specific enough in my post. I believe if the player isn't there then you try and trade down. I agree with you in that respect. I just hate hearing all the "We need to draft Oher, or any other top tackle", when a very talented RT can be had in RD 2-3.

[googlegoogle]

Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Not fast ???

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by talastan

Sorry I wasn't specific enough in my post. I believe if the player isn't there then you try and trade down. I agree with you in that respect. I just hate hearing all the "We need to draft Oher, or any other top tackle", when a very talented RT can be had in RD 2-3.

if he's the BPA snag him

[shaneo69]

Orakpo's been at Texas for five years, the last two as starter. Last year he hurt his right knee when getting blocked and missed a few games. This year he hurt his left knee when getting blocked and missed a few games.

Is he going to survive playing against Denver twice a year?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

if he's the BPA snag him

Your and Idiot

[KCinNY]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Absolutely not. You only take a QB or a DE that grades out as a top 5 or top 10 pick. It has to be a mix between BPA and need. BPA would have you take a left tackle, which is stupid. Drafting for need would have you take a DE that might not even grade as a top 10 pick.

I will NEVER understand the reservation behind trading down, even if you don't get full value. The best players that fit the Chiefs right now are in the bottom half of the top 10: Orakpo, Maualuga, Laurinitis, Mays. And yet people on this board would rather reach for a 2nd rate prospect or force a LT in the rotation when we already have one?

Trade down. Trade down. Trade down. There has never been a better time. Outside of Stafford, the best players on the board are left tackles and Crabtree, all of which are players the Chiefs don't need. After that, it's probably a CB, which the Chiefs also don't need. If Stafford is gone and assuming no position players absolutely floor the combine, there is no justification whatsoever to stick around. If the Chiefs draft Maualuga or Laurinitis and get an extra second rounder out of it, that is one hell of a play with the first round pick.

Agree with all of this except the part about not needing a guy like Crabtree.

Having two stud WRs is never a bad thing. Ask Arizona.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KCinNY

Agree with all of this except the part about not needing a guy like Crabtree.

Having two stud WRs is never a bad thing. Ask Arizona.

I think we have a really good tandem in Bowe and Bradley. I think there could be good value in the later rounds. I'm particularly eyeing the trio at Penn State. I don't know where Butler, Williams, and Norwood will land, but I imagine any one of them could be had in the later rounds.

There are some players that could wow me enough to justify taking, even if they don't fill a pressing need. Crabtree could be one of them. There are a few good young corners who could too. But the reason why I pause at making such moves is that you have an opportunity to land a real impact player at a key position in Maualuga or Laurinaitis and with an early second round pick, you could land a starting guard or center as those players get picked much later in the draft. I think we have the luxury this year of having a very bottom-heavy draft in that there is a wealth of really, really good talent to be had in the bottom of the top 10.