Hot Stove League - Page 2

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-31-2006, 05:44 PM

As I figured, the Yankees are going after Suppan. He served us well and got a ring. I'd like him to succeed in NY, but I don't think he'll do well as a guy who pitches to contact behind a horrible defense, poor pitching coach and intemperent media. Just my opinion, though.

Seems like the Yankees are going to try and unload Gary "Flax" Sheffield. I'm trying to figure out who'd be stupid enough to take on a broken down OF with poor defense who's owed $13 million.

Soriano and Aramis Ramirez have already filed for FA. No surprises there.

Who do you want **your** team to go after this offseason??

teedubya · 10-31-2006, 10:48 PM

excuse my ignorance, what does the reference "Hot Stove League" mean?

HolmeZz · 10-31-2006, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs

excuse my ignorance, what does the reference "Hot Stove League" mean?

Just a term to describe the off-season, whether it's free agency or trades that occur.

Miles · 10-31-2006, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by South Dakotan

Considering he's still on the good side of 30, Aramis is my choice as the most attractive FA out there.

Much less flash than Soriano but I tend to agree as far as position FA's go.

South Dakotan · 10-31-2006, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

In a dream world, I'd like the Mets to get Matsuzaka or trade for Dontrelle Willis.

I don't mind Zito, but there are other guys I prefer more.

Zito is a $35 million dollar pitcher who is demanding twice that amount with Boras as his agent. The Mets would be better off getting Mike Pelfrey and Phil Humber ready for the bigs. If one of them make it, the Mets have a #2 talent making the league minimum.

Miles · 10-31-2006, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by South Dakotan

Zito is a $35 million dollar pitcher who is demanding twice that amount with Boras as his agent. The Mets would be better off getting Mike Pelfrey and Phil Humber ready for the bigs. If one of them make it, the Mets have a #2 talent making the league minimum.

On the FA market what he will get is not that unreasonable though. Especially for a proven lefty.

With a team like the Mets, that can afford the luxury, they might as well plug in Zito at #2 and use the young guys to fill out their rotation.

South Dakotan · 10-31-2006, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs

excuse my ignorance, what does the reference "Hot Stove League" mean?

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Just a term to describe the off-season, whether it's free agency or trades that occur.

To expand on HolmeZz response, "Hot Stove" is a metaphor referring to baseball starved fans during the winter who think of a hot stove to remind them of the warmer months ahead.

Simplex3 · 10-31-2006, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by South Dakotan

To expand on HolmeZz response, "Hot Stove" is a metaphor referring to baseball starved fans during the winter who think of a hot stove to remind them of the warmer months ahead.

Is it just me or is that dumb?

HolmeZz · 10-31-2006, 10:59 PM

The Mets have a ton of young guys to fill out the back of their rotation: Maine, Perez, Pelfrey, Humber, or Heilman if they move him to the rotation. They've got to add a big gun though to solidify the rotation IMO.

I've been watching a lot of tape on Matsuzaka and I really like what I saw. Unfortunately I don't think they, or any other team, will be able to compete with the posting price the Yankees will throw out there. I love Dontrelle a lot too and think he'd be the perfect fit for us.

**The Bad Guy** · 10-31-2006, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by South Dakotan

Zito is a $35 million dollar pitcher who is demanding twice that amount with Boras as his agent. The Mets would be better off getting Mike Pelfrey and Phil Humber ready for the bigs. If one of them make it, the Mets have a #2 talent making the league minimum.

Nonsense.

Pelfrey or Humber aren't going to be #2 starters this year. The Mets still have to fill rotation spots. Pedro isn't back until June, Glavine is another year older, El Duque is a FA, Traschel should never see a Mets' uniform again. So where are all the pitchers going to come from?

Zito was fantastic when Rick Peterson was in Oakland. Fantastic.

Switching leagues will also help him out a ton.

HolmeZz · 10-31-2006, 11:02 PM

I do think Zito will be very good in the national league. I don't think he'll be worth the contract he's looking for though, but sometimes that's the nature of the business.

**The Bad Guy** · 10-31-2006, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

The Mets have a ton of young guys to fill out the back of their rotation: Maine, Perez, Pelfrey, Humber, or Heilman if they move him to the rotation. They've got to add a big gun though to solidify the rotation IMO.

I've been watching a lot of tape on Matsuzaka and I really like what I saw. Unfortunately I don't think they, or any other team, will be able to compete with the posting price the Yankees will throw out there. I love Dontrelle a lot too and think he'd be the perfect fit for us.

I'm a D-Train fan. But he would cost a ton in terms of compensation. He'll cost players and in a year or two big money.

Zito right now costs just money.

Their careers are pretty similar. Both have had stellar seasons and had some down time.

I think one way or another, in about a week or so, Omar will have his targets established and he will be on the hunt.

Miles · 10-31-2006, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simplex3

Is it just me or is that dumb?

I think its a really damn old saying.

**The Bad Guy** · 10-31-2006, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

I do think Zito will be very good in the national league. I don't think he'll be worth the contract he's looking for though, but sometimes that's the nature of the business.

There are few MLB players that are worth the contracts they receive.

I'd rather go with Zito over the import. I'm leery of two things. 1) the amount of innings he's tossed. 2) The posting price just to negotiate.

Would I be pissed if we landed him? Absolutely not.

I just don't know if it's worth shelling out a posting fee.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-31-2006, 11:05 PM

I'm hoping that the Cardinals resign Weaver and Mulder (even though I'm not a Mulder fan) and at least make a competitive offer for Suppan:

My reasoning:

Weaver got his confidence under Duncan, Molina knows how to handle him, and he's a durable pitcher. I think he'd be a very effective #3 for us, and I'd like to see us sign him to a 3/21 deal.

Mulder can be had for cheap, b/c he is considered damaged goods right now. He also said that he wants to show the Cardinal fans "the real Mark Mulder", so it sounds like he wants to stay in StL. Being a local boy doesn't hurt either.

I'm ecstatic that we won't have to worry about Buerhle, and I don't want us going anywhere near Schmidt. I honestly think Zito would be a very very good NL pitcher, but we aren't the market he's looking for. He's a coastal guy.

We still have issues that need to be addressed in the corner outfield, and second base. EnKarnKion didn't go to the victory parade b/c he was unhappy with his playing time over the last 4 games. fuck him and his worthless ass game. It would be nice if we could unload him to a team who needs a 15/75 guy, and I hope ownership would be willing to eat about $2 mil of his $5.5 mil salary. God, he was a horrible signing.

If we can keep Wilson to platoon against LHP, I'll be happy. Hopefully we can sign him to a reasonable deal. There's no need to spend more than 3 million on him, though.

Spezio is probably going to go, as he can command a starting gig somewhere else. I'd like to keep the guy, and I think he's a great teammate, but his asking price and playing demands will most likely be better met elsewhere.

Belliard, who knows? His D isn't bad, but he's an undisciplined hitter. He seems like a mini-Manny, which is funny, but it wouldn't kill me to see him go. I see us making a run at Mark Loretta to keep the ever present swinging door at 2B open.

General So will be gone, as we have a young kid named Skip Shumaker who can do all the things that he can for a rookie deal. Good bye, So.

Edmonds will be back, but most likely at a reduced rate, something in the 2/16 range. I'd like to see him retire a Cardinal.

So here is what we would be looking at next year

Rotation:

Carp
Weaver
Mulder
Reyes
Wainwright

If Izzy takes a while to return, Wainwright may stay in the pen for a while, or they may just have Looper close until May/June

Furthermore, we may have to bring up Chris Narveson to fill in for the first 10 or so starts of the year in Mulder's spot as he rehabs. I don't really know. If not, we might want to think about signing a veteran Woody Williams type as the end of the rotation guy and then dealing him once Mulder is back and healthy (if he proves he can be).

Our everyday lineup would look like this:

1B Pujols
2B ????
SS Eckstein
3B Rolen
RF Duncan/Wilson
LF ????
CF Edmonds
C Molina

Bench Miles, Rodriguez, Shumaker.

We've got two bench spots to fill a 2B, and potentially one/both OF spots.

Should be a busy offseason.

Miles · 10-31-2006, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Zito was fantastic when Rick Peterson was in Oakland. Fantastic.

Switching leagues will also help him out a ton.

He has still been pretty damn good over the last two years as well. A lefty with his career numbers like that in the AL is pure gold in the NL.

10-31-2006, 05:44 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Hot Stove League As I figured, the Yankees are going after Suppan. He served us well and got a ring. I'd like him to succeed in NY, but I don't think he'll do well as a guy who pitches to contact behind a horrible defense, poor pitching coach and intemperent media. Just my opinion, though. Seems like the Yankees are going to try and unload Gary "Flax" Sheffield. I'm trying to figure out who'd be stupid enough to take on a broken down OF with poor defense who's owed $13 million. Soriano and Aramis Ramirez have already filed for FA. No surprises there. Who do you want your team to go after this offseason??
Posts: 74,825

10-31-2006, 10:48 PM	#16
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9490002	excuse my ignorance, what does the reference "Hot Stove League" mean?
Posts: 36,651

10-31-2006, 10:59 PM	#23
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	The Mets have a ton of young guys to fill out the back of their rotation: Maine, Perez, Pelfrey, Humber, or Heilman if they move him to the rotation. They've got to add a big gun though to solidify the rotation IMO. I've been watching a lot of tape on Matsuzaka and I really like what I saw. Unfortunately I don't think they, or any other team, will be able to compete with the posting price the Yankees will throw out there. I love Dontrelle a lot too and think he'd be the perfect fit for us.
Posts: 16,520

10-31-2006, 11:02 PM	#25
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	I do think Zito will be very good in the national league. I don't think he'll be worth the contract he's looking for though, but sometimes that's the nature of the business.
Posts: 16,520

10-31-2006, 11:05 PM	#29
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	I'm hoping that the Cardinals resign Weaver and Mulder (even though I'm not a Mulder fan) and at least make a competitive offer for Suppan: My reasoning: Weaver got his confidence under Duncan, Molina knows how to handle him, and he's a durable pitcher. I think he'd be a very effective #3 for us, and I'd like to see us sign him to a 3/21 deal. Mulder can be had for cheap, b/c he is considered damaged goods right now. He also said that he wants to show the Cardinal fans "the real Mark Mulder", so it sounds like he wants to stay in StL. Being a local boy doesn't hurt either. I'm ecstatic that we won't have to worry about Buerhle, and I don't want us going anywhere near Schmidt. I honestly think Zito would be a very very good NL pitcher, but we aren't the market he's looking for. He's a coastal guy. We still have issues that need to be addressed in the corner outfield, and second base. EnKarnKion didn't go to the victory parade b/c he was unhappy with his playing time over the last 4 games. fuck him and his worthless ass game. It would be nice if we could unload him to a team who needs a 15/75 guy, and I hope ownership would be willing to eat about $2 mil of his $5.5 mil salary. God, he was a horrible signing. If we can keep Wilson to platoon against LHP, I'll be happy. Hopefully we can sign him to a reasonable deal. There's no need to spend more than 3 million on him, though. Spezio is probably going to go, as he can command a starting gig somewhere else. I'd like to keep the guy, and I think he's a great teammate, but his asking price and playing demands will most likely be better met elsewhere. Belliard, who knows? His D isn't bad, but he's an undisciplined hitter. He seems like a mini-Manny, which is funny, but it wouldn't kill me to see him go. I see us making a run at Mark Loretta to keep the ever present swinging door at 2B open. General So will be gone, as we have a young kid named Skip Shumaker who can do all the things that he can for a rookie deal. Good bye, So. Edmonds will be back, but most likely at a reduced rate, something in the 2/16 range. I'd like to see him retire a Cardinal. So here is what we would be looking at next year Rotation: Carp Weaver Mulder Reyes Wainwright If Izzy takes a while to return, Wainwright may stay in the pen for a while, or they may just have Looper close until May/June Furthermore, we may have to bring up Chris Narveson to fill in for the first 10 or so starts of the year in Mulder's spot as he rehabs. I don't really know. If not, we might want to think about signing a veteran Woody Williams type as the end of the rotation guy and then dealing him once Mulder is back and healthy (if he proves he can be). Our everyday lineup would look like this: 1B Pujols 2B ???? SS Eckstein 3B Rolen RF Duncan/Wilson LF ???? CF Edmonds C Molina Bench Miles, Rodriguez, Shumaker. We've got two bench spots to fill a 2B, and potentially one/both OF spots. Should be a busy offseason. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
Posts: 74,825