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**DaFace** · 09-20-2013, 01:55 PM

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Beware the Kansas City Chiefs
Ted Bartlett Sep 20, 2013 3:30 PM

Happy Friday, friends. I still haven’t had the four hours or so necessary to watch the All-22 of the Broncos-Giants game, and then write an article on it. I’m planning to do that tomorrow, so check the site on a Saturday. (I know you all have the capability.) I actually planned to watch the film last night, but I got caught up watching the Chiefs-Eagles game instead.

You’re not going to like this, but I thought it was time that we all came to the realization that the Chiefs are legitimate. Briefly, today, I’ll share some thoughts on this most regrettable of topics.

For Kansas City, it all starts with their ability to play defense, specifically man-to-man coverage on defense. They have two above-average man corners in Brandon Flowers and Sean Smith, and they also have safety Eric Berry, who’s proving to be very capable at covering TEs man-to-man.

When you can play man coverage (like the Broncos can, as well), you get more options tactically than you’d have if your guys could only hold up in zone. If you can play 5-on-5, with one high safety, you’re left with a free guy, to either use as an extra rusher, or as a robber type of player in coverage.

What’s maybe even more impressive about the Chiefs is that they’re getting dominant play off both edges (Justin Houston and Tamba Hali) and on the nose, with the vastly improved Dontari Poe. This Chiefs team can really generate some pressure on the QB, and that dovetails nicely with being able to lock down good receivers outside.

I saw some comments in the Lard today saying that the Chiefs looked like an average team. I don’t agree with that. As I watched them, I thought they looked a good deal like the 2011 49ers, and that team probably should have been in the Super Bowl.

Alex Smith has been doing an excellent job of managing the game, and the Chiefs have zero turnovers through three games. At this point, nobody can say that Smith is a fluke when it comes to protecting the football. In 2011, his interception rate was 1.1%, which led the NFL. In 2012, it was 2.3%, which tied with Matt Ryan for tenth. This year, obviously, it’s zero. He is good at not throwing the ball to the other team.

Smith isn’t really a big play guy, but with the defense Kansas City has, he doesn’t have to be. He can matriculate the ball down the field, and do well enough by getting the ball to the open guy short. He’s also added 115 rushing yards in three games, which is a good amount for a QB.

There’s a way to win in the NFL, by playing good defense (particularly against the pass), and by winning the turnover battle. That’s what the 49ers did the last couple years, and that’s what this year’s Chiefs team is doing.

I said in an email to the other IAOFM guys yesterday that the Chiefs were probably destined to regress to the mean on turnovers, but the more I think about it, the less I think they will. Smith is huge in that regard, as mentioned, but it’s notable that the team has only even fumbled the ball once in three games. (That was credited to Smith.)

Recovering fumbles is random, and highly dependent on luck, but not fumbling the ball isn’t random. It’s a skill, and a discipline, and a coaching priority. So far, it looks like this is another skill that the Chiefs have going for them.

I know what some of you are thinking - they haven't played anybody yet! How do you know? Is it fully clear yet who is a good team and who's a bad team? I'll grant you that Jacksonville is in rough shape this year. Dallas, though, has the talent to compete with anybody in the NFL. The fact that KC's corners mostly won against Dallas's WRs is compelling evidence of the quality of the Chiefs defense. As for Philadelphia, they have pretty good offensive talent too, and their scheme makes that talent a step better. (Admittedly, their defense isn't good.)

I don’t necessarily think that the Chiefs are ready to win a Super Bowl this year, but I do think they’ll give anybody they play a hard time on any given Sunday. To beat their defense, you have to run the ball well, and beat up on their nickel CB with good play from the slot. Philly got them for 260 yards rushing, and 9.3 yards per carry, and it's clear that the Chiefs can still be run on.

To beat their offense, it’s helpful to bottle up the running game, and to keep Smith in long yardage situations. If you let him get to 3rd-and-4 very often, he’s going to beat you. Over the long run of a game, Smith makes up for not being great at drilling the 20-yard deep out by almost always finding the right receiver on 3rd-and-4, and almost always putting the short throw right where it needs to be.

I would say that the Chiefs are probably the second-most impressive team I’ve seen in the AFC so far this season. It’s a credit to Andy Reid, and the smart moves they made, like keeping LT Branden Albert, signing Sean Smith and DE Mike DeVito, trading for Alex Smith, and picking up Donnie Avery (who has skills) off the scrap heap. I think they may have erred in taking RT Eric Fisher first overall (I thought the best players in the class were DT Star Lotulelei and OLB Jarvis Jones), but Fisher is still likely going to be a good player.

It’s early, but we should watch out for the Chiefs. If they can beat Houston at home in Week 7, there’s a pretty good chance we could see 8-0 Kansas City visiting Denver on November 17th (coming off a bye) to play a 9-0 Broncos team. How exciting would that be?

Chiefshrink · 09-21-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Playing Vick always skews the rushing yards allowed stat.

Exactly ! 2 McCoy runs and Vick scrambling

But did you see them banging out 5-8 yd runs over and over all game ? NO !

Nobody will run on us this year. This was the only thing I really disagreed with him in this article and I thought he was right on comparing us to the 2011 9ers at this point assuming we keep the injuries to a minimum

Cannibal · 09-21-2013, 03:31 PM

We were bound to give up a few big rushing plays given how we played 1 deep safety and man on man everywhere else.

NFLN said we provided the blueprint on how to beat that offense. They did a good breakdown on NFC Playbook.

Cannibal · 09-21-2013, 03:32 PM

We will normally be very hard to run on.

philfree · 09-21-2013, 04:48 PM

Speaking of the Donks I see where Shaun Phillips is questionable for this week. As great as they look they have a few issues right now.

**Manila-Chief** · 09-21-2013, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I'm not going to disagree but having our starting TE options backs should open it up for those guys and give us more options across the board. Should help us in the red zone where we weren't so hot this week.

Also, this is a new coaching staff/new offense ... give it a few weeks and things will be better in tune.

Never have been on it, but I'm kinda off the Alex Smith bandwagon. Now,in fairness to the whole offense ... they need time to gel and get things going. And as a couple of you have said ... Alex appears to be perfect for Martyball II. In fact if the D resembles the 90's, an Andy Reid offense is just what the Dr. ordered. When he gets things going, I think Andy is no where near as conservative as Marty was. Should spell lots of wins.

listopencil · 09-21-2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

want to bet, bitch? You spend absolutely zero time on Broncos message boards because of your large vagina. I actually read this guys website because it's posted so much (and honestly this guy steals a lot of material for the Omane).

so please, **** off.

Hah. I left the Orange Mane because Mexican tourism propaganda threads were allowed on the "mane" page, and threads showing conflicting data were removed. By the way, "this guy" is actually a group of guys that write for IAOFM and they do a fine job of both collating data points and offering opinions. They don't steal anything from the Mane. There isn't anything there to steal. So wrap up your weepy, sandy, bloody mangina and take it back home to whatever site you feel comfortable with. I could not give one flying **** about what your stupid ass thinks, you inbred hillbilly piece of shit. Have a nice day.

Bitch.

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-21-2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Speaking of the Donks I see where Shaun Phillips is questionable for this week. As great as they look they have a few issues right now.

How awesome would it be if the Faid stole their lunch money and ended neckbone

**RealSNR** · 09-21-2013, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Hah. I left the Orange Mane because Mexican tourism propaganda threads were allowed on the "mane" page, and threads showing conflicting data were removed. By the way, "this guy" is actually a group of guys that write for IAOFM and they do a fine job of both collating data points and offering opinions. They don't steal anything from the Mane. There isn't anything there to steal. So wrap up your weepy, sandy, bloody mangina and take it back home to whatever site you feel comfortable with. I could not give one flying **** about what your stupid ass thinks, you inbred hillbilly piece of shit. Have a nice day.

Bitch.

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-21-2013, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil

Hah. I left the Orange Mane because Mexican tourism propaganda threads were allowed on the "mane" page, and threads showing conflicting data were removed. By the way, "this guy" is actually a group of guys that write for IAOFM and they do a fine job of both collating data points and offering opinions. They don't steal anything from the Mane. There isn't anything there to steal. So wrap up your weepy, sandy, bloody mangina and take it back home to whatever site you feel comfortable with. I could not give one flying **** about what your stupid ass thinks, you inbred hillbilly piece of shit. Have a nice day.

Bitch.

**Mav** · 09-21-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Avery and Bowe should be the primary targets.
Avery has proven he can fight coverage and get open for a small speedster and Bow has that "Gonzo-factor" of never being covered even if he's covered.

Charles is always a stud outlet in the flat.

Then everyone else on the team.

In that ****ing order...

I cant honestly believe how little Hemmingway is being used.

Honestly. he to me would be so much better of an upgrade than McCluster.

Hell, with Hemmingways size, on throwing situations, you could put avery in the slot, and let Hemmingway be outside. I have no idea what Andy sees in McNUGGET.

**Mav** · 09-21-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Once this oline gets it going, if they get it going, the offense will improve.

I think going forward you will see less mccluster, more Sherman in front of Jamaal.

Its like once that happened, the offense became a different animal completely.

Sherman was blowing dudes up.

milkman · 09-21-2013, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Playing Vick always skews the rushing yards allowed stat.

Vick does impact things, but Chip Kelly's offense really subcribes to the orignal design of spread concepts.

Spread the defense and widen gaps to create bigger lanes to run the ball.

The Eagles are going to run the ball on everyone.
Shady McCoy might lead the league in rushing.

Michael Vick, with his inaccuracy as a passer, is actually the weak link and likely the reason that the Eagles will struggle to win games on offense.

ReynardMuldrake · 09-21-2013, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I cant honestly believe how little Hemmingway is being used.

Honestly. he to me would be so much better of an upgrade than McCluster.

Hell, with Hemmingways size, on throwing situations, you could put avery in the slot, and let Hemmingway be outside. I have no idea what Andy sees in McNUGGET.

I keep thinking the same thing. Hemingway was nails in preseason. I don't understand why he's not getting snaps.

milkman · 09-21-2013, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

Yep. As the article kind of alludes to, we're in good shape to beat up on average teams and win a lot of games. However, at some point, you do have to put up some points.

I hate to say it, but we're kind of seeing a form of Martyball. If it's a stepping stone to respectability and being competitive, I'm all for it. I do hope that a boring, ball control offense isn't our MO long-term though.

I don't have a problem with the Martyball philosophy as defined by most.

You can win a lot of games, and championships, I believe.

But you have to have a QB, and you have to attack.

Martyball will move the chains.
A QB and coach that aren't afraid to take some risks and make big plays will score you points.

Tombstone RJ · 09-21-2013, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil

Hah. I left the Orange Mane because Mexican tourism propaganda threads were allowed on the "mane" page, and threads showing conflicting data were removed. By the way, "this guy" is actually a group of guys that write for IAOFM and they do a fine job of both collating data points and offering opinions. They don't steal anything from the Mane. There isn't anything there to steal. So wrap up your weepy, sandy, bloody mangina and take it back home to whatever site you feel comfortable with. I could not give one flying **** about what your stupid ass thinks, you inbred hillbilly piece of shit. Have a nice day.

Bitch.

lol, whatever. Then you'd know these idiots loved McD. Defend that assclown. And, when you spend more time on a kc fan board than the Broncos fan boards, then you got issues.

and you sally, have issues.

09-20-2013, 01:55 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $2036899	A Broncos blogger's take on the Chiefs http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...as-city-chiefs Beware the Kansas City Chiefs Ted Bartlett Sep 20, 2013 3:30 PM Happy Friday, friends. I still haven’t had the four hours or so necessary to watch the All-22 of the Broncos-Giants game, and then write an article on it. I’m planning to do that tomorrow, so check the site on a Saturday. (I know you all have the capability.) I actually planned to watch the film last night, but I got caught up watching the Chiefs-Eagles game instead. You’re not going to like this, but I thought it was time that we all came to the realization that the Chiefs are legitimate. Briefly, today, I’ll share some thoughts on this most regrettable of topics. For Kansas City, it all starts with their ability to play defense, specifically man-to-man coverage on defense. They have two above-average man corners in Brandon Flowers and Sean Smith, and they also have safety Eric Berry, who’s proving to be very capable at covering TEs man-to-man. When you can play man coverage (like the Broncos can, as well), you get more options tactically than you’d have if your guys could only hold up in zone. If you can play 5-on-5, with one high safety, you’re left with a free guy, to either use as an extra rusher, or as a robber type of player in coverage. What’s maybe even more impressive about the Chiefs is that they’re getting dominant play off both edges (Justin Houston and Tamba Hali) and on the nose, with the vastly improved Dontari Poe. This Chiefs team can really generate some pressure on the QB, and that dovetails nicely with being able to lock down good receivers outside. I saw some comments in the Lard today saying that the Chiefs looked like an average team. I don’t agree with that. As I watched them, I thought they looked a good deal like the 2011 49ers, and that team probably should have been in the Super Bowl. Alex Smith has been doing an excellent job of managing the game, and the Chiefs have zero turnovers through three games. At this point, nobody can say that Smith is a fluke when it comes to protecting the football. In 2011, his interception rate was 1.1%, which led the NFL. In 2012, it was 2.3%, which tied with Matt Ryan for tenth. This year, obviously, it’s zero. He is good at not throwing the ball to the other team. Smith isn’t really a big play guy, but with the defense Kansas City has, he doesn’t have to be. He can matriculate the ball down the field, and do well enough by getting the ball to the open guy short. He’s also added 115 rushing yards in three games, which is a good amount for a QB. There’s a way to win in the NFL, by playing good defense (particularly against the pass), and by winning the turnover battle. That’s what the 49ers did the last couple years, and that’s what this year’s Chiefs team is doing. I said in an email to the other IAOFM guys yesterday that the Chiefs were probably destined to regress to the mean on turnovers, but the more I think about it, the less I think they will. Smith is huge in that regard, as mentioned, but it’s notable that the team has only even fumbled the ball once in three games. (That was credited to Smith.) Recovering fumbles is random, and highly dependent on luck, but not fumbling the ball isn’t random. It’s a skill, and a discipline, and a coaching priority. So far, it looks like this is another skill that the Chiefs have going for them. I know what some of you are thinking - they haven't played anybody yet! How do you know? Is it fully clear yet who is a good team and who's a bad team? I'll grant you that Jacksonville is in rough shape this year. Dallas, though, has the talent to compete with anybody in the NFL. The fact that KC's corners mostly won against Dallas's WRs is compelling evidence of the quality of the Chiefs defense. As for Philadelphia, they have pretty good offensive talent too, and their scheme makes that talent a step better. (Admittedly, their defense isn't good.) I don’t necessarily think that the Chiefs are ready to win a Super Bowl this year, but I do think they’ll give anybody they play a hard time on any given Sunday. To beat their defense, you have to run the ball well, and beat up on their nickel CB with good play from the slot. Philly got them for 260 yards rushing, and 9.3 yards per carry, and it's clear that the Chiefs can still be run on. To beat their offense, it’s helpful to bottle up the running game, and to keep Smith in long yardage situations. If you let him get to 3rd-and-4 very often, he’s going to beat you. Over the long run of a game, Smith makes up for not being great at drilling the 20-yard deep out by almost always finding the right receiver on 3rd-and-4, and almost always putting the short throw right where it needs to be. I would say that the Chiefs are probably the second-most impressive team I’ve seen in the AFC so far this season. It’s a credit to Andy Reid, and the smart moves they made, like keeping LT Branden Albert, signing Sean Smith and DE Mike DeVito, trading for Alex Smith, and picking up Donnie Avery (who has skills) off the scrap heap. I think they may have erred in taking RT Eric Fisher first overall (I thought the best players in the class were DT Star Lotulelei and OLB Jarvis Jones), but Fisher is still likely going to be a good player. It’s early, but we should watch out for the Chiefs. If they can beat Houston at home in Week 7, there’s a pretty good chance we could see 8-0 Kansas City visiting Denver on November 17th (coming off a bye) to play a 9-0 Broncos team. How exciting would that be?
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09-21-2013, 03:31 PM	#122
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