Neenah, Wisconsin cops stop men open carry stop

[demonhero]

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I hate cops. inb4 political board.

[Cephalic Trauma]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Try to use your head.

1.) Open carry is useless if you don't actually carry openly.

2.) If carrying openly results in police stops when it happens, just because someone's carrying, that's a problem with the law and/or law officers.

I hope this helps you understand.

I do understand the situation, as my previous posts to people who disagree with me have indicated. You don't have to be an asshole because you disagree.

Ignore.

[Iowanian]

The officers were responding to a complaint, they were polite. I think they did a good job.

I'm very much a 2nd amendment guy, but people who do this shit just to get responses exactly like this or worse are complete dbags.

The cop made a very good point about other CCW carriers.

[Ace Gunner]

I'm about as anti establishment as sane americans can be and I really liked how the po po handled that. I agree with the officer -- walking loaded like that is not going to help anyone and it will get the wrong mssg out regarding folks who can and do handle a weapon.

[demonhero]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Wisconsin

Open carry of loaded handguns and long guns is permitted without a license. If carrying openly in a vehicle, it must be "visible to ordinary observation" in order not to be considered concealed (needing a license).

They shouldn't have been stopped period.

[Iowanian]

Originally Posted by B2chiefsfan

This is a good example how you handle this situation as a Cop...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N30TagPCNE4

I'd kind of like to see dbags like these get the Rodney King.

They're being Doucebags to be doucebags.

I saw a mother walk by with a young girl and a bike....Those people deserve to be protected as much as 3 pudwhackers deserve their right to be dumbasses.

[CoMoChief]

See this goes much larger and into a deeper rabbit hole than just how an officer feels when they see a citizen w/ a weapon.

We can all agree, that most violent crimes committed w/ guns are from the inner city trash, mostly gang related, blacks and other minorities (mostly) shooting each other up. It's not a ****in secret, it's on your nightly 10pm news every ****ing day. With the help of mass media, guns have been portrayed as these mass murdering killing weapons and that we need to all run and hide because one day we could walk outside and some nutcase might open fire on somebody.

Guns are no longer used for sport, they're no longer used for protection, they're no longer used for trading or collecting, they're no longer an asset. They're simply devices used to murder innocent people and kill cops. Over the past 50 yrs the media and govt have been shoving this idea down people's throats and have done a hell of a job doing it. 50 yrs ago everyone had guns, everyone for the most part knew how to use one and felt comfortable around one...even women, and most people were introduced to it at a young age. My dad used to bring his shotgun to HS w/ him and kept it in his truck because after school him and his friends would go down to the river (he lived on the Illinois River outside Peoria, IL) and they'd shoot duck, squirrel, anything living thing that ****ing moved lol. You get my point though. Everyone did that back then.

I posted this scenario the other day, but I'll do it again. Cops are trained now not to help anyone who's stranded on the side of the road. They're SOP is to call in assistance w/ a local wrecker and have the vehicle towed, even if it's calling for a simple tire change. Let's say it's a woman driver, and she's alone. Tire goes flat and she pulls over. Deputy Doofy comes rolling by in his squad car and the woman asks the cop if he knows how to change a flat tire. Well instead of answering her question, when it's clear what her situation is, the cop will more than likely ignore her, and will proceed to ask her a bunch of loaded irrelevant questions like Where are you going, where were you coming from, etc. They'll ask for ID even though they don't have the right to do so, because you know they want to protect you by running your shit through their datebase systems to make sure you don't owe these crooks any ****in money, and if you don't then they'll write you a ticket for something completely reeruned so that you can pay your dues to the justice system. Denying them access to your personal info or not giving them consent to search your vehicle WILL ONLY escalate the situation. We may have rights, but in the end cops don't really ****ing care. They're not there to protect you. Cops show up after the crime has already been committed in most cases. It's very rare for a local patrol cop to see and actual live robbery or something being committed, unless one happens to be right around the corner or something. Ever called 911 and have the cops show up an hr later?

There are good cops out there. More and more we're seeing good cops become stupid ones because they're getting told what to do from higher ups and other people pulling the strings and all they want is a paycheck so they can feed their family. I get that. But here soon there's going to come a day where they're going to have to make a choice, because shit's going to hit the fan. Obama and his goons are already testing people in the military asking them if they would be "willing" to fire upon American citizens. Can you believe that shit? The ones that tell em to go to hell don't get promoted, the ones that oblige get put into special task forces through DHS where they run martial law drills to help confiscate guns from the American people. What did they do during Katrina? They went to the richer parts of the area and came inside people's houses and demanded they hand over their firearms.

All this shit is coming to form. It's kinda scary what this country's become. I'm still fairly young, but a LOT of shit has changed for the worse within just the past 10 yrs. We come to find out we've been backing, financing, and running the same terrorist group that supposedly caused 9/11 to happen? Well anyone with a ****in brain would ask...Well then what are these radiant nude body scanners for at the airport and why do you get groped and fondled upon if you refuse to go through it? Ever heard of the 4th amendment? Is that suspended via public travel now? What's the Patriot Act for? How about NDAA? It's not to find AQ terrorist cells...besides most AQ living here in the US are hidden and protected by the US govt. I mean those hijackers were being trained by our own military, were given visas by our own justice dept, were set up housing by our own CIA, took flying lessons but couldn't even fly a Cessna. I can fly a Cessna and have been able to since i was 15....it's not a hard plane to fly. Very simple. These ****ing assholes can barely drive cars wtf makes you think they can navigate a 737 jetliner into a city filled w/ skyscrapers, perfect direct hits.

**** it...I'm tired. We're all gonna be so ****ed. More people are taking out of SS than there are putting into it. It's a flawed system. Our govt is completely out of control and the scary part is that they don't care. Maybe a handfull of them do...that's about it. The people in charge have their own agenda and they sit in front of you and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and we have morons like Direkshun and Cosmo and others and religiously defense and praise Obama at every turn. The guy's a liar. You're seeing that w/ this HC bill being implemented. I hope they never get it working because it would only force the govt to start the **** over. Impeach the judges that called this constitutional because they're bought and paid for. Get rid of all the morons that voted for it, whether they wanted to or if Obama threatened or bought them out doesn't matter. This govt needs a complete house cleaning. And there are A LOT of people from this admin and the past that need to see jail time.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

See this goes much larger and into a deeper rabbit hole than just how an officer feels when they see a citizen w/ a weapon.

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TLDR

I agree with the opposite of what was said.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by patteeu

For what? Giving the guy fair warning in a calm manner? He did a great job.

No you don't threaten someone that you're going to shoot them in the head.

You shoot for large mass. This isn't ****ing Call of Duty, you don't go for a head shot man.

[Cephalic Trauma]

COMO's post:

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I'm fairly certain that open carry does not cover rifles and you need a permit for them, which is why the cops made a point of confirming his CCW license.

So... you still fairly certain?

[AussieChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by demonhero

I hate cops.

Until you need the help of one.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

So... you still fairly certain?

I guess it differs from state to state.

Doesn't change the fact that you are completely reeruned for having a problem with what happened.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

Personally I think the open carry movement is counterproductive but they do and should have the right to do it.

What it exposes is a discriminatory nature in our society. Why does the mere act of someone carrying a gun make you think they present a threat?

Because they are a potential threat.

Do you feel threatened if you see a cop in uniform with a pistol on his hip?

Yes. I notice when I come in contact with armed people and I don't necessarily trust policemen. I alter my behavior when I'm around an armed person that I don't know.

Now take that exact same person and put him in regular clothes. Do you now consider him to be a threat where he wasn't before in uniform?

It's not much difference to me.

What happens if you change him from white to black, does that now make him a threat?

Nope. Couldn't give any less of a shit.

You see the real issue in play here actually isn't about the second amendment, etc. It's about people who chose to discriminate and judge people based on appearance.

To a degree we have to. The denser your local population, the more you have to do this.

How is this any different than the terrible practice police use to 'stop and frisk'? Police in those cases are using race to stop and question someone. In these cases they are using the presence of a firearm without any other actions.

That's what makes this bad for everyone. If someone chooses to express themselves by wearing a firearm why should they be discriminated against? That's the biggest issue, it's a violation of your 1st amendment rights, much less any others.

We should make stops based upon people's actions not based upon their appearance. If someone is doing something suspicious and carrying a firearm, or something threatening then by all means stop and investigate.

But no one should be stopped just because of their appearance, whether that appearance is racial or the presence of a firearm.

Meh. I have no problem with the cops asking you questions and checking you out if you're carrying a rifle around town. It's unusual behavior. It does get ignored (or at least it used to) in some remote places.

[Cephalic Trauma]

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan

Until you need the help of one.

Cops would be expendable if I could sling a rifle around my shoulder and lay down the mother ****in law when people try to **** with me cuz I'm a badass patriot WOO!

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Cops would be expendable if I could sling a rifle around my shoulder and lay down the mother ****in law when people try to **** with me cuz I'm a badass patriot WOO!

reductio ad absurdum