Ron Torbort should be fired

[Chief Northman]

Atrocious job by Torbort and his crew today:

- Atrocious spots of the ball
- Missed holdings on Browns receivers in red zone
- Dee Ford strip sack and recovery taken away on a clean play nobody flagged
- Chiefs decline Cleveland penalty, CLOCK SHOULD BE RUNNING. Torbort ****s up and misinterprets situation moving Chiefs out of FG range and costing them a timeout.

Quit propping up shit franchises NFL. Browns made their own bed. They best lie in it.

Horrible.

[suzzer99]

The Hitchens penalty was really really weird.

I'm rewatching on Game Pass. Holy hell the announcers and refs had a TERRIBLE game.

Sequence of events on the Hitchens penalty and ejection:

• Browns get 12 yards on on a screen pass on 3rd and goal from the 25 - so it should be 4th and goal from the 11.
• Hitchens is in on the tackle.
• Running back kicks Hitchens in the facemask.
• Hitchens slaps the ball out of the RB's hand.
• Refs immediately throw flag.
• Hitchens and the RB basically hug it out.
• Announcers have no idea what the flag is. Trent speculates it could remain 4th down but Browns get half the distance to the goal - which is literally impossible.
• Refs call unsportsmanlike on Hitchens - 1st down Browns.
• TV shows replay of Mayfield getting sacked instead of Hitchens play.
• Hitchens continues to play until the 3rd Q runs out with the Browns on the 3 yard line.
• Hitchens makes a tackle to end the 3rd Q.
• 4th Q starts.
• Announcers still have no idea Hitchens is gone, still babbling about Mayfield.
• Supposedly the head ref announces Hitchens is gone at some point - but fails to turn on his mic.
• Browns score TD. I don't see Hitchens on the field.
• 2pt. attempt, no Hitchens.
• Commercial.
• Back from commercial, still no mention about Hitchens.

Am I missing something? I remember the announcers complaining about Hitchens ejection not being announced. I think they edited it out of the gamepass broadcast. Sneaky devils.

So what this means is the refs waited until the end of the 3rd Q - replayed the hit, saw that Hitchens didn't start it. And still decided to eject him. For slapping at the ball then hugging it out.



OMG look how violent.



Hitchens still on the field the play after the penalty.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

So you have no proof.

Not enough smoke for you?

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Not enough smoke for you?

Terrell Suggs, Ray Lewis and Bubba Smith thinking "something was going on" is smoke?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's all blah blah blah speak anyway.

The refs screwed up. He spiked the ball after a penalty, which would NORMALLY be grounding. The problem is that the penalty was DECLINED and the clock was running. Terrible call.

This has obviously been thoroughly discussed in the thread, but the clock doesn't run after a declined penalty inside 5 minutes, and it wasn't running when he snapped the ball. It's an odd, special-case of the rule, but it's legit and was called correctly.

[Reerun_KC]

It was strange watching the play clock run and then the game clock tick from 9 to 8 seconds on the TV broadcast.

Then a penalty? So strange.


Clock was running. Ref ducked up!

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

It was strange watching the play clock run and then the game clock tick from 9 to 8 seconds on the TV broadcast.

Then a penalty? So strange.


Clock was running. Ref ducked up!

Nope. Play clock is running. Game clock is not.

[Reerun_KC]

Soon as snap happens game clock goes from 9-8.

[DaFace]

For what it's worth, Arrowhead Pride had a nice writeup about the rule itself and why it exists. As one example of where you could take advantage of this if the rule didn't exist:

In a 2016 Monday Night Football game between the Buffalo Bills and Seattle Seahawks, Buffalo spiked the ball because their field goal kicker Dan Carpenter had been injured on a field goal attempt. Since the injury occurred with less than two minutes remaining, the Bills were charged with an injury timeout, and by rule, Carpenter had to leave the field for at least one play. So the Bills spiked the ball on a stopped clock, so that Carpenter could come back on the field and try again.

No intentional grounding penalty was called on the Bills. But it’s easy to see why there should have been some kind of penalty, because the Bills essentially skirted the rules. It would be reasonable to think that after the 2016 game, NFL referees were instructed that in such a situation, teams should be penalized.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...fs-browns-game

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Soon as snap happens game clock goes from 9-8.

Not sure what your point is. In what scenario would the clock NOT run during play?

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The Hitchens penalty was really really weird.

I'm rewatching on Game Pass. Holy hell the announcers and refs had a TERRIBLE game.

Sequence of events on the Hitchens penalty and ejection:

• Browns get 12 yards on on a screen pass on 3rd and goal from the 25 - so it should be 4th and goal from the 11.
• Hitchens is in on the tackle.
• Running back kicks Hitchens in the facemask.
• Hitchens slaps the ball out of the RB's hand.
• Refs immediately throw flag.
• Hitchens and the RB basically hug it out.
• Announcers have no idea what the flag is. Trent speculates it could remain 4th down but Browns get half the distance to the goal - which is literally impossible.
• Refs call unsportsmanlike on Hitchens - 1st down Browns.
• TV shows replay of Mayfield getting sacked instead of Hitchens play.
• Hitchens continues to play until the 3rd Q runs out with the Browns on the 3 yard line.
• Hitchens makes a tackle to end the 3rd Q.
• 4th Q starts.
• Announcers still have no idea Hitchens is gone, still babbling about Mayfield.
• Supposedly the head ref announces Hitchens is gone at some point - but fails to turn on his mic.
• Browns score TD. I don't see Hitchens on the field.
• 2pt. attempt, no Hitchens.
• Commercial.
• Back from commercial, still no mention about Hitchens.

Am I missing something? I remember the announcers complaining about Hitchens ejection not being announced. I think they edited it out of the gamepass broadcast. Sneaky devils.

So what this means is the refs waited until the end of the 3rd Q - replayed the hit, saw that Hitchens didn't start it. And still decided to eject him. For slapping at the ball then hugging it out.



OMG look how violent.



Hitchens still on the field the play after the penalty.

Hitchens was really ejected? How did I miss that?

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Not sure what your point is. In what scenario would the clock NOT run during play?

No point. . Like Mitch Holtus said. Never in his 25 years of broadcasting has he ever seen it and it will be another 25 years before he sees that play again.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Hitchens was really ejected? How did I miss that?

Could be wrong, but I don't think so. I certainly can't find anything about it on the interwebs outside of this thread.

If he wasn't on the field, it's probably just because he was still pretty banged up, and the game was well in hand.

[Flying High D]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Hitchens was really ejected? How did I miss that?

A lot was missed in this game, I heard that female ref was rattling chicken bones, saying a chant and throwing drops of bat blood.

[Naptown Chief]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Could be wrong, but I don't think so. I certainly can't find anything about it on the interwebs outside of this thread.

If he wasn't on the field, it's probably just because he was still pretty banged up, and the game was well in hand.

Combination of that and believing he threw a punch. I doubt he was ejected and would instead believe he was pulled