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Old 11-04-2018, 01:45 PM  
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Ron Torbort should be fired
Atrocious job by Torbort and his crew today:

- Atrocious spots of the ball
- Missed holdings on Browns receivers in red zone
- Dee Ford strip sack and recovery taken away on a clean play nobody flagged
- Chiefs decline Cleveland penalty, CLOCK SHOULD BE RUNNING. Torbort ****s up and misinterprets situation moving Chiefs out of FG range and costing them a timeout.

Quit propping up shit franchises NFL. Browns made their own bed. They best lie in it.

Horrible.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:10 PM   #46
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Clock was running......
The game clock was not running. The refs never windmilled their arms. The clock only started when Mahomes snapped it - as it should after a penalty with less than 2 minutes left in the first half - whether declined or not.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/p...clined-penalty

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The clock stopped following that play because the Cowboys had been called for an offsides penalty. And even though the Giants declined the penalty, the rules say the clock doesn't start until the snap after penalty enforcements in the final five minutes of the game -- even if the penalty is declined.
I believe it's last 5 minutes of the game and last 2 minutes of the first half - same as out of bounds.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:12 PM   #47
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Wrong.

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

There MUST be pressure on the QB for an intentional grounding penalty to be called.

IT'S IN THE ****ING RULEBOOK

None of that shit in your post is.

THEY MADE THAT SHIT UP

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Old 11-04-2018, 05:13 PM   #48
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Ok let's break this down. The only thing we're disputing here is #3 right?
No.

Read the rule.

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules...nal-grounding/

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It is a foul for intentional grounding if a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.
That is the FIRST SENTENCE in the rulebook for intentional grounding.

Mahomes was not facing an imminent loss of yardage because of defensive pressure.

Ergo, not intentional grounding.

And then there's this:

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Item 3. Stopping Clock. A player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time if, immediately upon receiving the snap, he begins a continuous throwing motion and throws the ball directly into the ground.
NOWHERE in item 3 does it mention any nuance in regards to the clock spike.

THEY MADE SHIT UP ON THE SPOT TO COVER THEIR OWN DUMB FAT ASSES
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:14 PM   #49
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Sounds like two competing confusingly worded rules.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:16 PM   #50
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Wrong.

That article is just citing what was said on the broadcast. WHICH IS WRONG.

IT'S NOT IN THE RULEBOOK

IT'S WRONG.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:16 PM   #51
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NOWHERE in item 3 does it mention any nuance in regards to the clock spike.

THEY MADE SHIT UP ON THE SPOT TO COVER THEIR OWN DUMB FAT ASSES
"is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time" - I guess in their minds that implies it is not legal if the game clock is not running and a spike would not save time.
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There is exactly ONE mention of the term "spike" in the 2018 NFL rulebook.

It says NOTHING about "impermissible spikes" or "clock stopped"

THEY LIED
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:18 PM   #53
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Sounds like two competing confusingly worded rules.
Technically after the ball was snapped the game clock was running.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:20 PM   #54
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We’ve all watched a million games. It’s ****ed. The official is supposed to spot the ball and wind it. What took him so long? Why do we have to get highly technical with the specifics and even the rules contradicts each other.

Let it go, because it’s been done hundreds of times in the past with no calls.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:20 PM   #55
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Technically after the ball was snapped the game clock was running.
True.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:22 PM   #56
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There is exactly ONE mention of the term "spike" in the 2018 NFL rulebook.

It says NOTHING about "impermissible spikes" or "clock stopped"

THEY LIED
Yeah if that's really the only line of the rule - that's pretty damn ambiguous and it sounds like the refs overreached. Will be interesting to see if the league clarifies.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:25 PM   #57
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you'd overreach too if you were trying to cover your dumb ass in front of 80,000 people
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:26 PM   #58
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That's the confusing part. As soon as the ball is snapped, the clock is running, therefore you can spike the ball
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you'd overreach too if you were trying to cover your dumb ass in front of 80,000 people
There were not 80,000 people in that stadium today.
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That's the confusing part. As soon as the ball is snapped, the clock is running, therefore you can spike the ball
I don't know why any of this is confusing.

Mahomes met all the printed stipulations for a legal spike.

He avoided all of the printed stipulations for intentional grounding.
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