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Old 08-24-2012, 07:29 AM   #1
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You almost dont even need the testimony.

The basic case against Armstrong, without witnesses, and without a positive drug test, is this:

The tour des france is an incredibly long race. Several days. Despite the race lasting several days of racing time, the winner always wins by minutes.

During Armstrong's time, we know that EVERY SINGLE ONE of his top rivals cheated. They were all caught, red-handed, no doubt about it, proven, everyone Armstrong raced against was a cheater. When cycling was cleaned up and enforcement was massively increased and cyclists had to race clean, race times ballooned to a huge extent, by several hours.

It is simply not reasonable to believe that Armstrong could have won those races, clean, against a field full of cheaters. You can say maybe he had to do what he had to do because everyone else was breaking the rules, but he's a liar.
That's odd. I remember watching Greg LeMond ride the fastest time trial ever to beat Fignon by seven seconds in 1989.
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Old 08-24-2012, 04:23 AM   #2
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Old 08-23-2012, 09:42 PM   #3
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Old 08-23-2012, 09:48 PM   #4
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Really weird. Bloomberg had and article saying he will be stripped of all titles tomorrow and I went to post it and it was gone replaced by this.

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Old 08-24-2012, 03:03 AM   #5
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Lance armstrong didn't cheat where were these alleged witnesses when he was winning the races and by the usada own admission the statue of limitation is already past for these issues to be brought up all this is is a high tech lynching of a great rider.
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Old 08-24-2012, 04:08 AM   #6
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Old 08-24-2012, 04:42 AM   #7
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Old 08-24-2012, 05:00 AM   #8
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Of course Lance doped. Everybody at that level of cycling dopes to the maximum amount they can get away with, even to this day. Anyone who knows anything about cycling is aware of this. The farce is the witch hunt of going after Lance so single-mindedly in an effort to tarnish his accomplishments in what was a level-doping field.

Doesn't change the fact he's a badass. I wish they'd just throw open a sport to whatever level of PEDs one wants to use being acceptable. If you want to cut off your legs and replace them with steroid-fueled hydraulics, go for it.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:14 PM   #9
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Doesn't change the fact he's a badass. I wish they'd just throw open a sport to whatever level of PEDs one wants to use being acceptable. If you want to cut off your legs and replace them with steroid-fueled hydraulics, go for it.
Haha. If you had a clean and a PED version of every major sport, is there any wonder which version would get more viewers?
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Old 08-24-2012, 05:21 AM   #10
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Old 08-24-2012, 05:27 AM   #11
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All it takes is accusations these days. I wonder how much $$$ he's had to spend on attorneys over the years to fight this.
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Old 08-24-2012, 05:31 AM   #12
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All it takes is accusations these days. I wonder how much $$$ he's had to spend on attorneys over the years to fight this.
I don't blame him for just giving it up. At this point, it makes the anti-doping forces look like vindictive jackasses for pursuing it this hard for this long.

It also puts them in the awkward spot of, "What do they do now?" They can strip him, but they're going to be the assholes that are tarnishing the Livestrong legacy as well as cycling in general.
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