Randy Gregory Fails Drug Test

[Renegade]

Gregory failed his drug test at the combine for pot. His dad opened the letter sent to his home address and had to tell his son.

How far does he drop now?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/...ine/ar-AAa1cRE

[Titty Meat]

The guy is a 6'6 version of Dee Ford minus the injury concerns and can play the run.


If you had to put up with Bo Pelini everyday you would smoke weed too.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Gregory and Ford off the edges would be insane.

Neither guy is likely to get 22 sacks, but the two of them combined could get you pretty near the 28 that Hali/Houston managed.

Planning for life without Houston and Hali is probably a pretty good idea at this point. Ford isn't going to be the all-around force that Houston was, but he can give you the weak-side pass-rush that Hali has provided. Gregory, OTOH, could be the same kind of player that Houston is.

Character concerns can't be completely ignored out of hand, then again it's strange that I never heard any of this stuff a few months ago. It's funny how quickly GMs start shitting on a guy when they're hoping to get him to fall.

I still bet he goes top 10 but if he fell to us at 18, we'd be silly not to pounce.

Gregory is not going to be the same kind of player as Houston. He's significantly slighter of build and he has only one pass rushing move. Straight line speeds are similar, but he's much more like a Dion Jordan prospect wise. Lanky and rangy, but relatively one dimensional.

Also, the idea of moving on from Houston as a certainty is bizarre. Even if you have to give him a record setting contract, he's good enough to provide you with fair or surplus value from it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Gregory is not going to be the same kind of player as Houston. He's significantly slighter of build and he has only one pass rushing move. Straight line speeds are similar, but he's much more like a Dion Jordan prospect wise. Lanky and rangy, but relatively one dimensional.

Also, the idea of moving on from Houston as a certainty is bizarre. Even if you have to give him a record setting contract, he's good enough to provide you with fair or surplus value from it.

We just don't know what Houston's demanding. If the Chiefs have taken their best shot (and I have to believe they have), then they need to prepare for life after Houston.

Gregory is thinner yes and definitely more raw, but don't you think a year or two on an NFL strength program can get him up to the 260 range? And like any rookie, he'll need to learn. I remember Houston's first year here - he was pretty much a straight on guy as well. He would occasionally demonstrate some damn nice body lean but he still didn't have a way to beat guys with his hands. Houston has simply developed into the player he is today from a skills/technique standpoint.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We just don't know what Houston's demanding. If the Chiefs have taken their best shot (and I have to believe they have), then they need to prepare for life after Houston.

Gregory is thinner yes and definitely more raw, but don't you think a year or two on an NFL strength program can get him up to the 260 range? And like any rookie, he'll need to learn. I remember Houston's first year here - he was pretty much a straight on guy as well. He would occasionally demonstrate some damn nice body lean but he still didn't have a way to beat guys with his hands. Houston has simply developed into the player he is today from a skills/technique standpoint.

Where I think Gregory will have trouble isn't necessarily as a pass rusher, although he will need significant development, but as an all-around player, especially in defending the pass and run.

The biggest difference between he and Houston, even in the latter's rookie year, is the natural ability that Houston has always demonstrated in coverage. It's extremely unusual given his build and a rare, rare trait that makes him significantly more valuable than a pass rusher alone.

Regarding him getting up to 260: I would guess that's possible, but I'm not sure. There is always an assumption that these guys can stack on another 20-25 pounds just from an NFL S&T program, and while I think that is a fair assumption, I think it's also somewhat overstated, especially if you are coming from a program like Nebraska. Some guys just can't fill out beyond a certain size. In fact, that's one of the scariest things about Fisher: if you were ever going to say "NFL S&T program will benefit that guy"it's Fisher, but he hasn't even developed his lower body much since coming into the league, despite having the "projectable" frame that so many scouts drool over (and I'm purposefully ignoring his upper body).

It's not to say that he wouldn't be worth the pick, but he strikes me as more of a boom-bust guy than some of the other options in the draft, either at that position or positions of need.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Where I think Gregory will have trouble isn't necessarily as a pass rusher, although he will need significant development, but as an all-around player, especially in defending the pass and run.

The biggest difference between he and Houston, even in the latter's rookie year, is the natural ability that Houston has always demonstrated in coverage. It's extremely unusual given his build and a rare, rare trait that makes him significantly more valuable than a pass rusher alone.

Regarding him getting up to 260: I would guess that's possible, but I'm not sure. There is always an assumption that these guys can stack on another 20-25 pounds just from an NFL S&T program, and while I think that is a fair assumption, I think it's also somewhat overstated, especially if you are coming from a program like Nebraska. Some guys just can't fill out beyond a certain size. In fact, that's one of the scariest things about Fisher: if you were ever going to say "NFL S&T program will benefit that guy"it's Fisher, but he hasn't even developed his lower body much since coming into the league, despite having the "projectable" frame that so many scouts drool over (and I'm purposefully ignoring his upper body).

It's not to say that he wouldn't be worth the pick, but he strikes me as more of a boom-bust guy than some of the other options in the draft, either at that position or positions of need.

So do you like Gregory or Dupree more?

Physically, Dupree is Houston. It's actually a little uncanny. If anything, Dupree's raw explosion may be a little better than Houston's was at the same stage.

Or are you just generally opposed to OLB again with the idea that Ford/Houston needs to be our long term answer out there?

I really could see a solid argument for Dupree over Gregory and if Dupree 'out-interviewed' Gregory, I'd go that route.

[O.city]

Do you not worry that Dupree is more athlete than football player?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So do you like Gregory or Dupree more?

Physically, Dupree is Houston. It's actually a little uncanny. If anything, Dupree's raw explosion may be a little better than Houston's was at the same stage.

Or are you just generally opposed to OLB again with the idea that Ford/Houston needs to be our long term answer out there?

I really could see a solid argument for Dupree over Gregory and if Dupree 'out-interviewed' Gregory, I'd go that route.

Of the 3-4 tweeners, I would rate them in this order (factoring in everything):

1. Ray
2. Beasley
3. Dupree
4. Gregory
5. Fowler

Gregory's failed test compounded with his JUCO route and his explanation for said test screams "dumbass" to me.

I used to care a lot about combine measureables. At this point, I think they're really only valuable for noting massive outliers--a guy with T-Rex arms, or someone who is substantially weak or slow. Aside from that, a few hundreths of a second in a 40 is almost totally irrelevant to me.

On tape, Ray and Dupree were the two best rushers I saw play last year. Dupree gave Missouri a lot of trouble, especially later in the game. Ray has the speed, motor, and hand skills to be an excellent pro. At this point, the draft process is just too long, the media coverage is too extensive, and consequently, guys are getting elevated or pushed down just so that there is something to talk about.

Mayock posted an article about Ray's bad pro day which was absolutely asinine last week. He ran a 4.64 with a gimpy foot (same time as Gregory), a broad jump that was 8" better than Fowler, a better vertical than Fowler, and he put up more reps despite being 12 lbs lighter.

Digressive point being: these guys are just talking to hear themselves talk at this point and they are constantly contradicting themselves.

If the Chiefs want to take a pass rusher given the plethora of picks they have, I can understand it, especially since I think that people are overrating Ford at this point. He may be great, but that's more hope than evidence. I wouldn't target that position in this draft (they'd be better off looking for a situational PR in the mid-rounds, IMO).

In a vacuum, I think they would be best served targeting a player in the secondary provided the value is there.

Best case scenario is Mariotta inexplicably falling and getting a two-year residency in NFL QB'ing, but that is foolish, desperate hope.

[JimNasium]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

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['Hamas' Jenkins]

Also, when I say tape I mean, "during the course of watching the game live."

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Do you not worry that Dupree is more athlete than football player?

Maybe. His production didn't match his skills, I'll admit.

But as Hamas pointed out - he really did give Mizzou fits. And perhaps I have to hedge against overrating him because I watched him reek havoc in person but he really did blow our offense apart on a fair number of occasions.

That DT for Alabama was the only other guy I saw this year that almost single-highhandedly dismantled our offense like Dupree did. Since Mizzou's move to the SEC, only the game Jarvis Jones had against us in 2012 stands out as a comparable performance. You get a completely different feel for a guy that's just imposing himself on the game when you're in the stands. You start to watch him even line up and just wait for him to blow shit up. It's something that you remember for sure.

There's risk there, but there's risk in anybody. Like I said in the OL thread, I'm also leaning towards help at CB personally but I see a TON of ability in Dupree and would not complain at all were he the pick.

[O.city]

I'm fully on board the Marcus Peters train, but an OLB wouldn't be a terrible option Depending on the houston situation.

I see ray as a 43 de only Though and Im much higher on Fowler than Hamas

[BossChief]

They did a piece on Gregory on espn radio today that was interesting.

He is being mentored by Herm Edwards about his weed use
He failed a few tests at Nebraska and was gonna get booted if he failed another test
He will enter the NFL with 1 strike on the drug policy
He hasn't ever done anything but weed and vehemently states he stopped smoking in December

[threebag]

don't know why they would hold the strike against him, he really doesn't have any association to the NFL at this point. He is basically an applicant at this time, correct? He isn't under contract right?

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm fully on board the Marcus Peters train, but an OLB wouldn't be a terrible option Depending on the houston situation.

I see ray as a 43 de only Though and Im much higher on Fowler than Hamas

I heart you.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by threebag02

don't know why they would hold the strike against him, he really doesn't have any association to the NFL at this point. He is basically an applicant at this time, correct? He isn't under contract right?

Yeah, that confuses me as well. He hasn't received one dollar from them.