Chiefs Andy blames himself, not Alex, for Chiefs' sputtering offense - Page 21

ShowtimeSBMVP · 10-16-2013, 10:05 AM

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- When you're 6-0 and coming off a 2-14 season, there really shouldn't be any complaining.

There can't be a football fan or scout or executive anywhere on the planet who could have forecast the amazing turnaround general manager John Dorsey and coach Andy Reid have conducted with the Chiefs -- certainly not to the extent of a 6-0 start.

But -- and isn't there always a but? -- there is one small area of concern that even Reid himself continues to address: a sluggish offense.

The Chiefs are 25th in the NFL in offense, chugging along at just 326 yards per game, a remarkably low figure for a team unbeaten this far into the season.

No one is more aware of the offense's struggles than Reid. The offense is his baby.

"Listen, I'm never going to make excuses," Reid said Monday. "That's not how we roll here. But the reality of it is we're a little young, but we have to get better.

"I see some phases we're getting better at. But I've got to do a better job of getting these guys in the right position to succeed. We've all got a little piece of the pie to get things right. We're learning on the fly, but we're going to get better."

The Chiefs likely will have to. Fans in this area have seen this script before. They've seen the Chiefs' teams of the 1990s soar through the regular season on the strength of their overpowering defenses and elite special teams.

Then those fans saw the same teams misfire in the postseason, mainly because the offense couldn't step up and contribute when it had to.

To avoid revisiting that script, the Chiefs must get more production out of quarterback Alex Smith, whose numbers keep sinking.

Smith is 26th in the league in passing yards at just 221.7 per game. He's also 20th in the league with a passer rating of 79.8.

But if you're looking for Reid to point any fingers toward Smith, you'll have a long wait.

Reid knows what kind of team he has. He knows, outside of Jamaal Charles and at times Dwayne Bowe, he doesn't have an explosive offense.

Reid also knows you can win in this league simply by not messing up, and letting the opponent beat itself. The Chiefs are No. 1 in the league in turnover ratio at plus-12, and don't have the appearance of a team that will beat itself anytime soon.

"Not turning the ball over is very important to us," Reid said, "especially when you have a solid defense like we have and the kicking game we have, both from our punter and our kicker."

In that respect, Smith is giving Reid all he needs, even if the offense has that familiar conservative look of the '90s. After all, there is a fine line between wanting more offensive production, and opening the offense up so much that more turnovers occur. Reid isn't likely to stand for that.

"You want to always start off by protecting the ball," Reid said. "There's no fine line there for me. ...

"Alex is doing that. And we need to point out the way Alex continues to manage this offense."

And that is the key in Reid's mind: He simply wants Smith to manage the game, which also includes managing the different personalities in the huddle.

"We've got a guy at quarterback, this kid, he's a stud," Reid said. "The things he does for this team is unbelievable. He's making people around him better. He takes the blame for things -- that's what good leaders do.

"At the same time, he's able to teach and explain to other guys with a clear head. Those are valuable things for us as coaches to see. I'm very pleased with the job (Smith) is doing."

In Reid's mind, let the other quarterbacks around the league possess the pretty passing numbers; Reid will take the ultimate one that counts. That is, for now, 6-0.

Still, Reid also has been around long enough to know that his offense will have to improve as the season wears on, even if it's just incrementally.

And that will be up to Reid himself as the play-caller and architect of the offense, something Reid has mentioned almost every week.

"I think we have done some good things, but we have plenty to work on," Reid said. "I don't think I've done a very good job of putting guys in position to make plays. That has been obvious at times. I have to do a better job."

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**Mav** · 10-17-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And the game is at Arrowhead, which definitely helps

Definitely pulling for the Chiefs.

If POE, Houston, Hali, DeVito wanna have a 53 car pile up on Brandon older than dirt mcgirt Weeden, that's fine by me.

**Easy 6** · 10-17-2013, 06:34 PM

STOP... the browns talk, the texans game sounds great, lets just play them one at a time.

Ace Gunner · 10-17-2013, 06:43 PM

on topic -- Reid needs to call stretch plays for Jamaal to turn that corner and do what he does so well and he needs to get the OL to block long enough so that Bowe can run those deep/middle cross routes he is so good at.

Psyko Tek · 10-17-2013, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Avery is a good enough 2.

Hemmingway needs to overtake Dexter in the slot for the most part. The offensive skill positions aren't as dearth as some make it out to be. We aren't the Broncos in terms of skill guys, but theres talent there. It's all about finding the mismatches and capitalizing when they are found.

with the oline sucking harder than a black hole
we do not know
how good the receivers are

and who is this fasano I keep hearing about

Marcellus · 10-17-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

td; dr

44 drives starting inside our own 35

5 last 5 minutes or more
7 end in scores (5 TD, 2 FG)
7 cover 50 yards or more
23 last 3 minutes or less
26 cover 25 yards or less
32 end in punts or turnovers
33 include 2 first downs or less

44 drives, 9 of them 3 and outs. 20%.

Did you even read the stats you posted?

We need to score more I dont dispute that but we usually move the ball and at the worst end up screwing the other team in field position which our defense then turns into a field position advantage for us.

Yes we need to improve, yes Smith needs to play better along with the OL and WR.

I think our biggest issue has been stalled drives due to penalties and negative plays. We seem to move the ball reasonably well, not great but reasonably well, and then stall out.

I dont think its the dumpster fire its being made out to be.

milkman · 10-17-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

44 drives, 9 of them 3 and outs. 20%.

Did you even read the stats you posted?

We need to score more I dont dispute that but we usually move the ball and at the worst end up screwing the other team in field position which our defense then turns into a field position advantage for us.

Yes we need to improve, yes Smith needs to play better along with the OL and WR.

I think our biggest issue has been stalled drives due to penalties and negative plays. We seem to move the ball reasonably well, not great but reasonably well, and then stall out.

I dont think its the dumpster fire its being made out to be.

33 of 44 drives include 2 or fewer first downs, and you believe that is moving the ball reasonably well?

Marcellus · 10-17-2013, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

33 of 44 drives include 2 or fewer first downs, and you believe that is moving the ball reasonably well?

Whats the average number of 1st downs per drive in the NFL?

Edit: I looked it up and its interesting. Yea we are bad on yards and points per drive. The defense is making up the difference. We are top 10 in NET yards a drive but thats because the defense ranks so high.

I still think penalties and negative plays are the biggest issue.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats

Hammock Parties · 10-17-2013, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Whats the average number of 1st downs per drive in the NFL?

Dude, you need to stop reaching for reasons to excuse our awful offense.

We are 26th in yards per play, 27th in third down conversions and 28th in net yards gained per pass attempt.

There is no sugar coating this shit show.

Pablo · 10-17-2013, 09:07 PM

Marcellus doesn't even understand what he's watching.

Marcellus · 10-17-2013, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Dude, you need to stop reaching for reasons to excuse our awful offense.

We are 26th in yards per play, 27th in third down conversions and 28th in net yards gained per pass attempt.

There is no sugar coating this shit show.

We are 16th in 3 and outs, 11th in RZ scoring, and 3rd in average lead.

I have said 50 ****ing times we need to play better on offense but keep up with your shit.

Marcellus · 10-17-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Marcellus doesn't even understand what he's watching.

What part of we need to play better on offense is confusing? I have stated that several times. I just dont think its as bad as some are making out.

We have OL issues, we have penalty issue, we WR that dont get open and we have a QB that isn't good enough to overcome the other 3.

We aren't changing QB's so what are the options?

This isn't difficult but please keep telling me I dont get what I am seeing.

I cant see Fisher being the biggest revolving door we have had at RT since I65.

I cant see that the OL has knack for inopportune penalties.

I have said all along while supporting Smith that he isnt going to carry the team, I just expected the OL to be a ton better than this.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-17-2013, 09:13 PM

I demand 21 pts a game, starting this week.

Do it.

Hammock Parties · 10-17-2013, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

We are 16th in 3 and outs, 11th in RZ scoring, and 3rd in average lead.

I have said 50 ****ing times we need to play better on offense but keep up with your shit.

Who cares? The offense had TWO DRIVES WORTH A SHIT last game.

This has been going on for awhile.

Stop making this complicated. The offense ****ing sucks, and it's primarily because the passing offense is a dumpster fire.

O.city · 10-17-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Who cares? The offense had TWO DRIVES WORTH A SHIT last game.

This has been going on for awhile.

Stop making this complicated. The offense ****ing sucks, and it's primarily because the passing offense is a dumpster fire.

And that's all on Alex smith?

Have you paid your daily compliment to mav today btw?

Marcellus · 10-17-2013, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Who cares? The offense had TWO DRIVES WORTH A SHIT last game.

This has been going on for awhile.

Stop making this complicated. The offense ****ing sucks, and it's primarily because the passing offense is a dumpster fire.

Sorry you cant keep up with complicated discussion.

Its more than the QB though he has had his role.

10-16-2013, 10:05 AM
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