Dolphin fans take on the latest offer by the Chiefs

[Stinger]

What the Dolphins fans think of King Carl and his low ball tatics on Pat Surtain.

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/sh...8&page=1&pp=15

[Pants]

I really don't want Law, but he's better than nothing. I'd rather see Surtain than Law + 2nd.

[FloridaMan88]

Why is Carl so hesitant to give up the Chiefs's second rounder for Surtain.

Lets see Surtain, Pro Bowl caliber CB for a team who finished 32nd versus the pass last year or the chance to draft the next Eddie Freeman/Kawika Mitchell/Mike Cloud/Rashan Shehee.

Damnit Carl get your head out of your ass long enough to figure out this trade makes TOO much sense for even someone as clueless as yourself to screw up

[ZootedGranny]

I think the reactions are hilarious.

First, you don't start negotiations by throwing out your highest offer. Secondly, the same report says that nobody else has offered anything higher than the Chiefs 4th.

Some of those guys are melting down over nothing. I don't see a deal being done for at least another couple of weeks.

[KCJake]

Originally Posted by ZootedGranny

I think the reactions are hilarious.

First, you don't start negotiations by throwing out your highest offer. Secondly, the same report says that nobody else has offered anything higher than the Chiefs 4th.

Some of those guys are melting down over nothing. I don't see a deal being done for at least another couple of weeks.

Great point! I've been trying to say this for a month now
Even if the Chiefs are willing to give up the 2nd rounder, they sure as hell aren't going to offer it right away. Why not try and get Surtain for less? It certainly doesn't look like any other teams are fighting to acquire him.

[Wallcrawler]

*Posted by SQuinn17*

if thats all they wanna give up for him, we'll all have a lil more fun watching them put up 35 points a game and still end up losing. hey kc, have fun trying to cover randy moss!!



This guy has a point......

[SoCalRaider]

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

If Collins had anything left don't you think the Giants would have held on to him?

No.

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

FA the point is Sapp is a bust.

As is your entire defense.

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

I wouldn't be bragging about that pathetic super bowl appearence

That's because you have no Super Bowl appearances or even playoff wins as a point of reference

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

I would rather the Chiefs stay home

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

Gruden was smart to leave

Actually Gruden was traded.

[SoCalRaider]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Odd that a fan of a team that's had the most recent sodomization in recent superbol memory brings up failure.

Not if you consider that fan of said team was actually alive for all 3 of the Super Bowl Victories.

Originally Posted by Rausch

The one where you traded production at the DT position for Sapp...

Originally Posted by Rausch

Unlike Collins, Dick Vermeil, Al Saunders, Priest Holmes, and Trent Green have actually been on superbowl winning teams.

So have Al Davis, Norv Turner, Rob Ryan, Bobby Hamilton, Ted Washington, and Warren Sapp... Point?

[KCChiefsMan]

"Oh hell know!!! That is not value at all. Keep him unless we get a 2nd"

they seem like a smart group

[PunkinDrublic]

Originally Posted by SoCalRaider

No.


As is your entire defense.


That's because you have no Super Bowl appearances or even playoff wins as a point of reference





Actually Gruden was traded.

Gruden wanted out what's your team done since the superbowl embarassment? You think Moss is going to keep your team from another last place finish?

[Gravedigger]

Randy Moss won't be shit without a QB that can throw to him and Collins is at the end of his career just as Gannon was after that horrid super bowl loss. Collins has a decent "long bomb" but he has zip for accuracy and everybody knows that he is a joke. If anybody is kidding themselves into a dream like state about their teams odds of winning it's the raiders.

[alanm]

Originally Posted by TRR

I really think the Surtain deal hinges on how Ty Law looks in a week or so. If his foot is progressing, I think they'll sign Ty Law to a contract w/a ton of incentives, and keep the 2nd round pick.

If Law's recovery hits a snag, and the boot needs to stay on, or the x-rays don't look good, then I believe Peterson will try and pull the trigger on Patrick Surtain.

Right now, a healthy Law and a 2nd round pick looks better than Surtain, no second rounder, and a LOW 3rd rounder. However, if Law isn't healthy, then Surtain is a must get.

Exactly!! I can feel it in my bones that they are waiting for a update of Laws prognosis. For some ungodly reason the Chiefs just do not want to part with their 2nd rnd pick at the moment for Surtain. Their waiting on Law. And if he isn't healing like they think he should be. Come draft day and Law's still a question mark to Carl I'll bet he backs off from pulling the trigger on Law. Then I'd expect Carl to offer the Phins their 2nd for Surtain. It all depends on how Laws coming along.

I still expect Law to be playing in KC this fall.

[PunkinDrublic]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

Randy Moss won't be shit without a QB that can throw to him and Collins is at the end of his career just as Gannon was after that horrid super bowl loss. Collins has a decent "long bomb" but he has zip for accuracy and everybody knows that he is a joke. If anybody is kidding themselves into a dream like state about their teams odds of winning it's the raiders.

No shit I can't wait to hear the spin from faider fans after they once again finish last in the division. Moss will start his whiney antics once he realizes Collins can't deliver the ball with any accuracy and the team will fall apart.

[alanm]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

I really don't want Law, but he's better than nothing. I'd rather see Surtain than Law + 2nd.

No way. A healthy Law is the best CB out there. Hell the guy is only 31, Surtain is 29. Law, if he's anything like Hasty was as far as conditioning will be playing on a high level for at least 3-4 more years. Hell, Hasty went to the Pro Bowl when he was 35. And Darrel Green who for my money was one of the best there was never dropped off up till he retired at what was it... 39-40? I think he went to his last Pro Bowl when he was 39 but I could be wrong.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsMan

"Oh hell know!!! That is not value at all. Keep him unless we get a 2nd"

they seem like a smart group

I guess it's all those rednecks down there in Florida.

[melbar]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

I really don't want Law, but he's better than nothing. I'd rather see Surtain than Law + 2nd.

Are you kidding me? Surtain is great, a healthy Law is one of the greatest CB's in NFL history. If he returns healthy he brings an instant swagger back to our secondary. Besides the fact we can sign a CB from the greatetest class in recent memory AND a good young DE or LB.