I Predict The 2013 QB's To Be

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I can guarantee you that I will back whatever decision Reid makes regarding Stanzi.

All I'm saying is that I know the coaching staff he worked under was total, complete crap...therefore it's nearly impossible to properly judge Stanzi based on his time with them.

The truth is that Stanzi regressed last year and I think that was due to poor coaching. I guess we will see.

I agree completely with this take.

As I stated, I didn't like Stanzi as a prospect, so my comments about him have never wavered from this stance. That said, I believe he should have seen playing time during '12 because it was a lost season. Thus, there was no risk and nothing but potential upside, should Stanzi emerge/surprise/etc.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I agree completely with this take.

As I stated, I didn't like Stanzi as a prospect, so my comments about him have never wavered from this stance. That said, I believe he should have seen playing time during '12 because it was a lost season. Thus, there was no risk and nothing but potential upside, should Stanzi emerge/surprise/etc.

Did you like Cousins coming out of college? I ask because it's completely irrational to give one fraction of an ounce of dap to Cousins more than Stanzi.

As much as people want to say, "C'mon, give Kirk Cousins a break, he was way better than Stanzi" it's pretty hard to point to anything Cousins did in college that Stanzi didn't do. Even in their styles of play and talent level.

Ferentz doesn't produce QBs? Well how many has Mark Dantonio produced? I haven't heard what Jeff Smoker has been up to lately.

And yet Cousins goes to Washington in a zero pressure situation with a fantastic QB coach. The starter ahead of him is an elite athlete who has made the offense click better than any Redskins QB since Joe ****ing Theisman. Shit starts to move, people gain confidence, defenses start to give respect to all facets of the offense, and before you know it Cousins is placed in the perfect situation against a weak Browns defense to go out and look phenomenal.

And then what happens? People think Cousins is actually ****ing LEGIT?

(Not talking about you, Deez) Blows my ****ing mind how easily fooled most football fans are. Even a lot of the smart ones.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by SNR

Did you like Cousins coming out of college? I ask because it's completely irrational to give one fraction of an ounce of dap to Cousins more than Stanzi.

As much as people want to say, "C'mon, give Kirk Cousins a break, he was way better than Stanzi" it's pretty hard to point to anything Cousins did in college that Stanzi didn't do. Even in their styles of play and talent level.

Ferentz doesn't produce QBs? Well how many has Tom ****ing Izzo produced? I haven't heard what Jeff Smoker has been up to lately.

And yet Cousins goes to Washington in a zero pressure situation with a fantastic QB coach. The starter ahead of him is an elite athlete who has made the offense click better than any Redskins QB since Joe ****ing Theisman. Shit starts to move, people gain confidence, defenses start to give respect to all facets of the offense, and before you know it Cousins is placed in the perfect situation against a weak Browns defense to go out and look phenomenal.

And then what happens? People think Cousins is actually ****ing LEGIT?

(Not talking about you, Deez) Blows my ****ing mind how easily fooled most football fans are. Even a lot of the smart ones.

BOOM, Headshot.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

BOOM, Headshot.

I think you are confusing this as a defense of stanzi when it isn't. SNR corect me if I am wrong..

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I think you are confusing this as a defense of stanzi when it isn't. SNR corect me if I am wrong..

Nope. SNR has been a big Stanzi supporter.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Nope. SNR has been a big Stanzi supporter.

I like Stanzi. Wish all the best for him, and I STILL think if he were in a better system with better coaches and were given an opportunity, he could be a decent NFL QB. I still say he was the best QB on our roster this season.

In a way I should be thankful that he struggled in preseason. If he had beat out Brady Quinn he would have won games during the season when Cassel got benched.

I've moved on from Stanzi. Again, wish him all the best in his football career. But now I'm all about Geno Smith. Ricky isn't a concern or a care of mine.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by SNR

I like Stanzi. Wish all the best for him, and I STILL think if he were in a better system with better coaches and were given an opportunity, he could be a decent NFL QB. I still say he was the best QB on our roster this season.

In a way I should be thankful that he struggled in preseason. If he had beat out Brady Quinn he would have won games during the season when Cassel got benched.

I've moved on from Stanzi. Again, wish him all the best in his football career. But now I'm all about Geno Smith. Ricky isn't a concern or a care of mine.

QFt

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I think you are confusing this as a defense of stanzi when it isn't. SNR corect me if I am wrong..

It was mostly an excuse to shit on Kirk Cousins. I do relish those opportunities, because I think Cousins would be sucking hard/would be as irrelevant as Stanzi if he weren't being coddled by Rat and Friends in Washington.

You take a poster like Reerun who ****ing loathes Stanzi but is open to acquiring Cousins for the right price as a backup. That kind of stupidity makes my blood boil.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by SNR

It was mostly an excuse to shit on Kirk Cousins. I do relish those opportunities, because I think Cousins would be sucking hard/would be as irrelevant as Stanzi if he weren't being coddled by Rat and Friends in Washington.

You take a poster like Reerun who ****ing loathes Stanzi but is open to acquiring Cousins for the right price as a backup. That kind of stupidity makes my blood boil.

I hear you. That makes more sense. I was on the Stanzi train this offseason if for no other reason than we were looking at a wasted season with the other 2 QBs. Why not just try it. I thought his original preseason was decent. At this point with the situation we are currently in Stanzi basically gets pushed to the back whether he deserves it or not. I would agree though that Cousins came into a very comfortable situation, relatively speaking, something that Stanzi was never going to see.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by SNR

Did you like Cousins coming out of college? I ask because it's completely irrational to give one fraction of an ounce of dap to Cousins more than Stanzi.

First, I'm not a Stanzi or Cousins Whisperer. I'm not.

I thought that Stanzi was an emotionally fragile bitch coming out. Unfair? Almost certainly. But this view was solidified in my mind when he checked down, at home, trailing, with time expiring and no TOs against Wisconsin (I believe).

Beautiful drive to this point. Ended by idiocy on the part of the QB. Now, one could argue that the back should have gotten out of bounds, blah, blah, blah. And maybe this is true. But the fact is that the trigger man put his teammate in a terrible place.

During the great Cassel wars of '10, I had and have no sympathy for idiocy from the QB position.

From my limited view, Cousins didn't hit these depths. Again, I didn't watch him play against NE Kansas City Tech, so I might be mistaken.

Too much stake in one play? Absolutely. Completely. But I never saw enough, even after this, to change my mind, even when Iowa bested my team in the bowl game later that season.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

First, I'm not a Stanzi or Cousins Whisperer. I'm not.

I thought that Stanzi was an emotionally fragile bitch coming out. Unfair? Almost certainly. But this view was solidified in my mind when he checked down, at home, trailing, with time expiring and no TOs against Wisconsin (I believe).

Beautiful drive to this point. Ended by idiocy on the part of the QB. Now, one could argue that the back should have gotten out of bounds, blah, blah, blah. And maybe this is true. But the fact is that the trigger man put his teammate in a terrible place.

During the great Cassel wars of '10, I had and have no sympathy for idiocy from the QB position.

From my limited view, Cousins didn't hit these depths. Again, I didn't watch him play against NE Kansas City Tech, so I might be mistaken.

Fragile Emotionally?

Huh?

Source? Evidence? lol

As far as the check down, you're referring to the Ferentz blunder, not Stanzi. I know the exact play, time on the clock, players on the field, etc.

I cried.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Fragile Emotionally?

Huh?

Source? Evidence? lol

As far as the check down, you're referring to the Ferentz blunder, not Stanzi. I know the exact play, time on the clock, players on the field, etc.

I cried.

You can't cry "source??!!? " when one posts his opinions. The "source" is my last post. FFS.

When you post that Pioil prevented RAC from starting a player, that's when you're called out.

Badgirl?

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You can't cry "source??!!? " when one posts his opinions. The "source" is my last post. FFS.

When you post that Pioil prevented RAC from starting a player, that's when you're called out.

Badgirl?

You point to his one choke and ignore his many late game comebacks and game winning drives...

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by aturnis

You point to his one choke and ignore his many late game comebacks and game winning drives...

What is this? 2011?

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by aturnis

You point to his one choke and ignore his many late game comebacks and game winning drives...

I didn't ignore shit, which is exactly why I explicitly stated that my opinion may not be fair at all.

Based on my extremely limited exposure to Stanzi and Cousins, I wouldn't have drafted the former and would have considered the latter in the mid rounds, approximately where Stanzi was taken. I saw each play in 3 or so games per year.

Iowa fans have obviously seen shit tons more of this guy. But, as a Mizzou fan, it's important to limit one's exposure to ancillary sub-par football, and this is why I don't watch a lot of the Big X.