Some observations - Page 2

Thig Lyfe · 09-13-2004, 05:59 PM

A few observations from the game:

Priest Holmes is da man. Yes, we already knew this. But now Priest is even more da man. He's like the six million dollar man. He had bursts of speed that I haven't seen from him in years. The 30 yard run was great, but what really impressed me were those 8 and 9 yard bursts up the middle, the little runs that looked like nothing at first but became good gains. I'm excpecting a big game out of him.

5-yard chuck rule? What 5-yard chuck rule? We all thought that the new enforcements would help Tony G immensely. Well, it did jack squat. Gonzo got rapedall day, as usual. Everytime there was a flag on a play intended for him, I would think "Finally!" But soon finally would turn to "aw $#!+", because the penalties all on him! Maybe I'm overreacting, but it seems like a defense can't shut down Tony that easily without doing something illegal.

The defense... still sucks. I was a Gunther guy. I'll admit it. Now it's only one game, but the D really didn't look much better than last year. They'll still get the turnovers, but they gave up the big play way too much. Vonnie Holliday bit on the bootleg every freakin' time. As John Madden say, "On that play there were about eleven bites!". So by that count, there were about 132 bites in this game. The linebackers were actually one of the brighter parts of the D. Fooj did very well from what I saw, and of course Monty Beisel made a great interception. There were some promising stops and turnovers, so I wouldn't panic. Yet.

Lawerence Tynes! MY MAN! "The Flying Scotsman", as I've decided to like to call him, has skills. He hit a 50-yarder that Mort would have thrown his back out attempting, and almost hit a 58 yarder that Mort would have had a heart attack just thinking about. It was Denver, yes, so the air is thinner, but I thik Tynes will certainly be a huge improvement.

Wide Recivers are a concern. Ay ay ay. This isn't good. You can't rely on Priest and Tony G to carry the whole team. Morton, Kennison, and Hall need to step up and make catches. Dear lord, please bring Keenan McCardell unto us!

The season ain't over As JBret pointed out: Bills 31, Patriots 0. The season is certainly not over. We never do well in Denver, so this is not a harbinger of doom by any means. Actually, I think that this loss may actually be a good thing. They don't have the pressure that they had last year during their winning streak. The D showed some promise at some points. This loss will fuel them the rest of the season, and I expect no less than 11-5 and a divison crown.

milkman · 09-15-2004, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JBret

We had the same players as last year when we were the second best passing offense in the entire NFL. The only thing that changed is that the Broncos have enough talent to shut down Tony G and Priest without devoting 3 or 4 defenders. Then Trent Green has a shitty game and you get Sunday night's result.

You're also basing your entire opinion on ONE GAME? The Chiefs had worse passing games last season.

The difference is that we will be playing a tougher schedule than last year.

I'm not surprised to find out that we did have worse passing games last season.
In fact I would've been surprised to find out we didn't.
Good defenses can shut down our passing game because they simply don't have to respect our WRs.

milkman · 09-15-2004, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadWolf

WRs are below average IMO. Priest and Tony can't do it all, and Dante can only do so much. Plus, we want Dante returning kicks as much as possible. We need good #1 and #2 WRs.

I was being nice when I said "average, at best".

As for Dante, I'd just as soon see him lined up in the backfield for his screen plays, giving the O-Line an opportunity to get out in front.

That WR screen is fairly ineffective, because there isn't enough blocking.

Dante's ability to make people miss is becoming legendary, but he can't make all 11 guys miss that often.

**Skip Towne** · 09-15-2004, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadWolf

Geez, I actually give serious observations about football and nobody cares.

I'm gonna go cry now.

Just a hint: A lot of people (me for instance) won't read long drawn out posts. Especially when they are just opinions. Hope this helps.

Hammock Parties · 09-15-2004, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The difference is that we will be playing a tougher schedule than last year.

I'm not surprised to find out that we did have worse passing games last season.
In fact I would've been surprised to find out we didn't.
Good defenses can shut down our passing game because they simply don't have to respect our WRs.

Are you saying the Chiefs didn't face good secondaries last year? We had good passing days against several good secondaries, including the Bills, Colts, Browns and Broncos.

milkman · 09-15-2004, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JBret

Are you saying the Chiefs didn't face good secondaries last year? We had good passing days against several good secondaries, including the Bills, Colts, Browns and Broncos.

No, I'm saying that the pass offense is only going to be successful when Green is at the top of his game.

When he has a slightly off game, as he did Sunday night, or when defenses get early pressure, because of the receivers inability to get any separation, the passing game can be contained.

If the Chiefs had a legitimate threat at receiver, then Green wouldn't have to be at his best to be successful.
Good receivers can help a QB.

Ours can't.

Hammock Parties · 09-15-2004, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No, I'm saying that the pass offense is only going to be successful when Green is at the top of his game.

When he has a slightly off game, as he did Sunday night, or when defenses get early pressure, because of the receivers inability to get any separation, the passing game can be contained.

If the Chiefs had a legitimate threat at receiver, then Green wouldn't have to be at his best to be successful.
Good receivers can help a QB.

Ours can't.

That's pretty much the same as last year.

Oz_Chief · 09-15-2004, 07:38 PM

Good observations.

The one thing that I have seen people only allude to is the horrible field position the CHIEFS were stuck with. I'm going completely off of memory but it seems to me the best starting point for the CHIEFS in the first half was their own 23 or 25. Whereas the Broncos seemed to be starting drives between their own 35 and midfield. I'm no expert but I've heard that this can have a significant effect on what plays are called and, in turn, what plays are called later in the game.

Losing at Denver by 10 is no big deal but the CHIEFS need some work to get in good form.

09-13-2004, 05:59 PM
Thig Lyfe Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Thigpen's America Casino cash: $10004900	Some observations A few observations from the game: Priest Holmes is da man. Yes, we already knew this. But now Priest is even more da man. He's like the six million dollar man. He had bursts of speed that I haven't seen from him in years. The 30 yard run was great, but what really impressed me were those 8 and 9 yard bursts up the middle, the little runs that looked like nothing at first but became good gains. I'm excpecting a big game out of him. 5-yard chuck rule? What 5-yard chuck rule? We all thought that the new enforcements would help Tony G immensely. Well, it did jack squat. Gonzo got rapedall day, as usual. Everytime there was a flag on a play intended for him, I would think "Finally!" But soon finally would turn to "aw $#!+", because the penalties all on him! Maybe I'm overreacting, but it seems like a defense can't shut down Tony that easily without doing something illegal. The defense... still sucks. I was a Gunther guy. I'll admit it. Now it's only one game, but the D really didn't look much better than last year. They'll still get the turnovers, but they gave up the big play way too much. Vonnie Holliday bit on the bootleg every freakin' time. As John Madden say, "On that play there were about eleven bites!". So by that count, there were about 132 bites in this game. The linebackers were actually one of the brighter parts of the D. Fooj did very well from what I saw, and of course Monty Beisel made a great interception. There were some promising stops and turnovers, so I wouldn't panic. Yet. Lawerence Tynes! MY MAN! "The Flying Scotsman", as I've decided to like to call him, has skills. He hit a 50-yarder that Mort would have thrown his back out attempting, and almost hit a 58 yarder that Mort would have had a heart attack just thinking about. It was Denver, yes, so the air is thinner, but I thik Tynes will certainly be a huge improvement. Wide Recivers are a concern. Ay ay ay. This isn't good. You can't rely on Priest and Tony G to carry the whole team. Morton, Kennison, and Hall need to step up and make catches. Dear lord, please bring Keenan McCardell unto us! The season ain't over As JBret pointed out: Bills 31, Patriots 0. The season is certainly not over. We never do well in Denver, so this is not a harbinger of doom by any means. Actually, I think that this loss may actually be a good thing. They don't have the pressure that they had last year during their winning streak. The D showed some promise at some points. This loss will fuel them the rest of the season, and I expect no less than 11-5 and a divison crown.
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09-15-2004, 07:38 PM	#22
Oz_Chief Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Casino cash: $1535101	Good observations. The one thing that I have seen people only allude to is the horrible field position the CHIEFS were stuck with. I'm going completely off of memory but it seems to me the best starting point for the CHIEFS in the first half was their own 23 or 25. Whereas the Broncos seemed to be starting drives between their own 35 and midfield. I'm no expert but I've heard that this can have a significant effect on what plays are called and, in turn, what plays are called later in the game. Losing at Denver by 10 is no big deal but the CHIEFS need some work to get in good form.
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