NFL network"CHiefs and Jets in Heated Talks for Herm

[Big Chief Homer]

Schefter on Nfl network says Jets and Chiefs are in Heated negotiations for Head coach Herman Edwards.They are trying to come to terms of mid round picks.


Commisioner must OK trade if they come to agreement.Talks Heated up after Williams decided to stay in DC

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I don't believe he has an opt out clause.

And even if he did, I think the Chiefs would still look guilty of tampering if he "opted out" mysteriously knowing that he had another job waiting for him.

He doesn't it was a lie by Athan. Why would a team negoitate with another team to acquire their HC if all they had to do was wait for the HC to void his final year. It makes no sense at all.

FTR, I haven't ever heard of a HC having a "voidable" year in his contract, players yes but not HC's.

[Johnson&Johnson]

Originally Posted by Dunit35

Whats wrong with AS anyways?

Nothing is wrong with him. He's just not a motivator or someone who can make critical decisions during a game or make good calls as a ultimate leader of a team. Though he is a great offensive coordinator.

People must understand that the great head coaches are usually more of a psychology minded person. AS is a great X's and O's guy, much like Gun.

If you want to understand how the successful HC do it. Study Bill Walsh and more recent Jon Gruden and Bill Belichik. All three loves football from birth I think but they never did play the game at the highest level. All three are exceptionally intelligent with great football smarts and very good in evaluating his players and STAFF.

Just understand the difference between a "mad scientist" vs. an "inspirational leader". AS and Martz are the mad scientist. If you know music, its the same. Great songs were written with simple and less chords and songs that's written just for the sake of using unusual chords and having 2 times more chords are usually not good. Martz and AS would win numerous championships if the NFL had given out awards for the number os new plays for each year/game or creative plays that involves 4 players touching a ball for each play.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Johnson&Johnson

People must understand that the great head coaches are usually more of a psychology minded person. AS is a great X's and O's guy, much like Gun.

You totally lost me after you said "Gun is a great x's and o's guy. I'd hate to see what guys who have top 10 rankings defenses are. They must be the jesus or god of x's and o's.

[phxchief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

You totally lost me after you said "Gun is a great x's and o's guy. I'd hate to see what guys who have top 10 rankings defenses are. They must be the jesus or god of x's and o's.

Actually, you must have missed his entire point completely.

Gun may have designed brilliant defensive schemes that have yet to be executed very well. The latter part has nothing to do with the X's and O's of the philosophy.

[Mecca]

If Gun was a good X's and O's coach he could devise schemes to make average players good and hide bad players that capitilize on the good players he has. He doesn't do that, he relies on his talent to make him look good. The one time this man had a good defense he had all the pieces anyone could ever want.

[58-4ever]

Originally Posted by Johnson&Johnson

Nothing is wrong with him. He's just not a motivator or someone who can make critical decisions during a game or make good calls as a ultimate leader of a team. Though he is a great offensive coordinator.

People must understand that the great head coaches are usually more of a psychology minded person. AS is a great X's and O's guy, much like Gun.

If you want to understand how the successful HC do it. Study Bill Walsh and more recent Jon Gruden and Bill Belichik. All three loves football from birth I think but they never did play the game at the highest level. All three are exceptionally intelligent with great football smarts and very good in evaluating his players and STAFF.

Just understand the difference between a "mad scientist" vs. an "inspirational leader". AS and Martz are the mad scientist. If you know music, its the same. Great songs were written with simple and less chords and songs that's written just for the sake of using unusual chords and having 2 times more chords are usually not good. Martz and AS would win numerous championships if the NFL had given out awards for the number os new plays for each year/game or creative plays that involves 4 players touching a ball for each play.

with this philosophy our next head coach should be Bob Stoops.

[PastorMikH]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

He doesn't have one it was a mis-truth stated by Athan.

UHG! I'm thinking so myself after doing a bit of searching on the net. He had an opt-out in his original contract with the Jets allowing him to opt out of the last 2 years. That contract expired at the end of this season ('05). However, he signed a 2 year extension in '03 and it appears that there was no opt out in the new contract. This is according to Ken Berger's article
here.

Major, strike in my book concerning the credibility of stuff from his site.

[Johnson&Johnson]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If Gun was a good X's and O's coach he could devise schemes to make average players good and hide bad players that capitilize on the good players he has. He doesn't do that, he relies on his talent to make him look good. The one time this man had a good defense he had all the pieces anyone could ever want.

Well. If you are refering to better schemes, then AS should have the same results. Take away Roaf, Shields, Waters, Weigmann, Gonzalez, T-Rich, Priest, LJ and Green. Let's see what AS could do.

You just said it to. Gun had more success as a def. coord. in the late 90's because better talent was in place. Exactly. Our defense is starting to see improvement now but still not close to the talent levels that AS have with the offense. If you look at Gun's defensive talents: Jared Allen (came into his own this year, very promising rookie in 04); Pat Surtain (we got this year); Ryan Simms (finally came into his own this year); Kawika (came into his own this year); DJ (we just drafted him); To me the only talent Gun had from early 2000 team thats consistent has been Greg Wesley and Eric Warfield and maybe Maslowski (but he was never healthy when Gun return).

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Johnson&Johnson

Well. If you are refering to better schemes, then AS should have the same results. Take away Roaf, Shields, Waters, Weigmann, Gonzalez, T-Rich, Priest, LJ and Green. Let's see what AS could do.

You just said it to. Gun had more success as a def. coord. in the late 90's because better talent was in place. Exactly. Our defense is starting to see improvement now but still not close to the talent levels that AS have with the offense. If you look at Gun's defensive talents: Jared Allen (came into his own this year, very promising rookie in 04); Pat Surtain (we got this year); Ryan Simms (finally came into his own this year); Kawika (came into his own this year); DJ (we just drafted him); To me the only talent Gun had from early 2000 team thats consistent has been Greg Wesley and Eric Warfield and maybe Maslowski (but he was never healthy when Gun return).

I wasn't asking Gun to have a number 1 defense like Saunders has a number 1 offense. I was asking him to be 14-17, with the money they spent in the offseason on the players he specifically asked for. The fact that we improved marginally, I consider this a failure. I don't consider it a good job, there are numerous teams in the league that played better defense this year with the same or less talent than we have.

[brent102fire]

Shefter also reported Trent Green had a blood clot in his leg the day after Trent Green had a press conference and said "it was not a blood clot" and that he had a stent put in his leg for a weakness in an artery. Shefter is not always reliable either...

[Johnson&Johnson]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I wasn't asking Gun to have a number 1 defense like Saunders has a number 1 offense. I was asking him to be 14-17, with the money they spent in the offseason on the players he specifically asked for. The fact that we improved marginally, I consider this a failure. I don't consider it a good job, there are numerous teams in the league that played better defense this year with the same or less talent than we have.

I agree with your evaluation of Gun. To me the defense showed improvement but he failed to get us to the middle ranks of overall defense.
But you'd have to compare apples to apples in contrast to the other team's defense that rank in the top 8-16 ranks; look at what teams they had to face.

Its easy to overlook things like that when you say a defense with mediocre talent was better than the Chiefs because of better defensive coord. and their schemes? We went up against Philly at the height of their season, we get Den & SD twice. Oak always play us tough, we get a desperate DAL and NYG team at the height of their run for the playoff. Right there are 7 teams with offensive prowness.

I honestly believe that our defense has a lot to do with inspiration which Gun lacks. Someone here at the planet once pointed out that Gun's yelling and overly stress approach, more so than not, makes the player fed up. Evident at the NYG game. Can't tackle.

A lot of this was created by Vermeil's ways during training camp in going soft (little pads, and not really hard tackling) It's simple, you practice the way you play. Remember during training camp, all the players and coaches said LJ was the best player in training camp. It finally showed when he took over the ranks for Priest. They kept sayin that LJ practice during training camps as if it was a game...he finished all his runs and completed his assigments in detail. If you also remember the days that KC defense was at the top, our offense was not as good. because during camp and practices, our D players would go all out and tackle and hit guys.

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just say NO to herm

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Hello - commatard on the loose.Hello - commatard on the loose.

just say NO to herm

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why is my name messed up like that

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Hello - commatard on the loose.Hello - commatard on the loose.

why is my name messed up like that

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