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DoubleWannaB · 09-08-2000, 10:28 AM

did anyone else notice that Grbac actually looked at more than one receiver on the same play last week...at least on a few plays...seems he didn't zone in on one guy all the time like he normally does...I find this encouraging...now if only he'd learn to fall down instead of throwing stupid INTs...it could be interesting...

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09-08-2000, 11:39 AM

Yes Bob, I, too, was screaming at my father,"Did you see that??!! He turned his head!!" [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/cool.gif[/img]

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DoubleWannaB · 09-08-2000, 11:48 AM

Mr. Dole, your long political career has taught you to document your actions well...no scandals in the Dole camp...I'm just glad that I'm not the only one who actually saw EG move his head... [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

Can the receivers use stick 'em on their hands?...
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mikey23545 · 09-08-2000, 11:51 AM

Some of those dropped balls were horribly off target. The ball thrown to Anders in the flat was thrown behind him. The drop Lockett had was horribly thrown and he had to try and make a tough acrobatic catch. One of Alexanders "drops" was thrown out of bounds, it would have been an impossible catch if he had made it.

There were 4 or 5 legitmate drops, the one thrown in the end-zone was a killer.

However, Elvis still sucks *** . Didn't any of you see the two consectutive overthrown passes on third and fourth down after that drop by Alexander in the closing minutes the game? The one on 4th down was especially atrocious because Lockett was wide open in the endzone.

Then there was the int over the middle that was returned for a touchdown. Grbac was about to get crushed, so to [b]avoid contact[/b] he throws the ball over the middle not even knowing where it was going to go.

Grbac is a horribly imobile, inaccurate wuss that still makes rookie mistakes in his 8th season. The fact that he is just now learning to look at a second receiver is shows what a mistake it was to sign this dunce in the first place. <BR>

Yosef_Malkovitch · 09-08-2000, 11:54 AM

He actually did the same thing in the last preseason game, but everyone was more interested in talking about him spiking the ball.

We have not seen the best of Elvis yet, and I think many will be in for a pleasant surprise (or a humiliating realization).

Luz
thank goodness others are seeing the same thing...

CHIEFCOW · 09-08-2000, 12:05 PM

Despite his detractors, Grbac is improving. I also saw him look to second and third recievers.

One thing that I didn't see very much of, and I am so glad I didn't, is his classic spin to the right and run for the sideline. Grbac actually stayed in the pocket much better.

Now, if he could learn to duck under the rush and pop back up and throw the TD...well that maybe asking too much...

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09-08-2000, 12:19 PM

Yeah, You guys are right, he is improving. There were some good things he did during the game, but I'm afraid I'm leaning towards Cannibal's view.

This guy is an 8-year veteran. He makes way too many "rookie" mistakes.

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ck_IN · 09-08-2000, 12:20 PM

EG is 6'5...SM is 6'3...These guys already have some sync to them...What about hallfway through the season? Watch for this to become the big news...

Boise_Chief · 09-08-2000, 12:25 PM

I'm not a Grbasher/Grbacker, just an observer.

IMO, the thing that has become more obvious to me than not, is that it appears that Grbac has maxed his potential at QB. That is not all bad.

What is does mean, however, is that Grbac will not make the spectacular plays we are all waiting for him to make, he will look at 1-2 primary receivers most of the time, he will throw more TD's than INT's, he should not be counted on to win games, he will make more steady plays than boneheaded plays, he will never be flashy or fleet of foot, and he will never gain the respect of Chiefs fans until he QB's a winning playoff game.

Unfortunately, this isn't very sexy and won't do it for most fans, including myself. I want the QB to be the leader and playmaker on the team, something EG will never be. He would make a good starting QB for some teams (not the Chiefs), and an excellent backup for any team. JMHO.

flowergirl · 09-08-2000, 12:37 PM

ChiTown, I agree completely. Grbac is a marginally serviceable QB who is out of place as a starter, even though he does have infrequent "good" days. He would be an ideal backup on a team with a franchise QB. I expect him to get bounced around the league quite a bit after he's released or traded by KC during the next offseason.

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Ugly Duck · 09-08-2000, 12:53 PM

I pretty much agree with everyone that EG is trying to improve and I back him. IMO, I feel that Elvis would have been a very good qb in a very good offensive system. Problem is, our offensive system is so outdated. Sucks that it doesn't look like we are going to change our offensive philosophy anytime soon. At least as long as Arrowhead Stadium is always full.

I'm still holding out hope that someday we will see an aggressive attacking style offense. We will have to leapfrog 50 years of offensive philosophy to do it though. Getting rid of JR would be a start.

Dan<P>

DoubleWannaB · 09-08-2000, 01:25 PM

This one's for Cannibal...

I agree that EG overthrew the 3rd and 4th down passes horribly...if he puts some air under the ball like a fade is suppose to be thrown, we get a TD anyway...what I've seen Elvis do, that is one of his main faults, is that he let's the last play bother him too much...he let the TD drop to Alexander bother him so he wasn't focused enough to throw the ball right to Lockett...however...I still think he can lead us where we want to go...problem is he doesn't have anymore room for error...he's had his formative years, now it's time to perform...

ChiTown, you are right on the money...everyone, including myself and I'm a big time Grbacker, expects him to make those spectacular plays...like the pass over the middle that went for and INT but could have been completed to our WR if EG had an arm like Elway or Talent like Montana...I can be happy with a vanilla QB...from the boos I heard, most can not....

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BroncoFan · 09-08-2000, 03:08 PM

Bob Dole thought the same thing about the 2 passes following Alexander's drop, Miata Man. (Though admittedly, Bob Dole was 7 Bloody Marys and 3 pints of Guiness into it at that point...) EG still lets things get to him.

Bob Dole has never been a big fan of any Elvis other than Costello, but has come to grips with the fact that EG is Bob Dole's favorite team's starting QB. That said, it is encouraging to see improvement, no matter how minor, and it's not going to do a d@mned bit of good to sit around and claim that he should have made these improvements 4 years ago...

Bob Dole still thinks that with proper play design and selection along with good receiver coaching and training, EG could be one of the better starters in the AFC.

Unfortunately, Martha Raye puts him in a [b]LOT[/b] of bad situations where Bob Dole and his dog even know what the play is going to be, which means the defense definitely knows what the play is going to be, which means that Elvis ends up with a fleet of smothered receivers as targets. Not an easy task for any QB.

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Luzap · 09-08-2000, 03:19 PM

I agree that the 3rd down ball was badly overthrown & wide. However, I think Grbac was throwing to a spot (the corner) and Lockett spent too much time at the LOS stuttering & making a move. It's a timing play & Lockett threw the timing off. I don't put that one on Grbac.

flowergirl · 09-08-2000, 03:23 PM

Grbac should see his target before he throws it. If the timing is thrown off by the WR, the QB needs to adjust...especially if he's got plenty of time.

That throw was one example of Elvis lack of improvisational ability.

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DoubleWannaB · 09-08-2000, 03:25 PM

So tell me Mr. Dole...What's so funny about peace love and understanding?....

also a fan of Elvis C.

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09-08-2000, 11:39 AM	#16
Jim Wilken Guest Casino cash: $	Yes Bob, I, too, was screaming at my father,"Did you see that??!! He turned his head!!" [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/cool.gif[/img] ------------------ Boyce Berry I may not be right,but I'm not wrong.
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09-08-2000, 11:48 AM	#17
DoubleWannaB Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Mr. Dole, your long political career has taught you to document your actions well...no scandals in the Dole camp...I'm just glad that I'm not the only one who actually saw EG move his head... [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] Can the receivers use stick 'em on their hands?... ------------------ joe "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together!" [This message has been edited by 58Forever (edited 09-08-2000).]
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09-08-2000, 11:51 AM	#18
mikey23545 MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10015321	Some of those dropped balls were horribly off target. The ball thrown to Anders in the flat was thrown behind him. The drop Lockett had was horribly thrown and he had to try and make a tough acrobatic catch. One of Alexanders "drops" was thrown out of bounds, it would have been an impossible catch if he had made it. There were 4 or 5 legitmate drops, the one thrown in the end-zone was a killer. However, Elvis still sucks *** . Didn't any of you see the two consectutive overthrown passes on third and fourth down after that drop by Alexander in the closing minutes the game? The one on 4th down was especially atrocious because Lockett was wide open in the endzone. Then there was the int over the middle that was returned for a touchdown. Grbac was about to get crushed, so to [b]avoid contact[/b] he throws the ball over the middle not even knowing where it was going to go. Grbac is a horribly imobile, inaccurate wuss that still makes rookie mistakes in his 8th season. The fact that he is just now learning to look at a second receiver is shows what a mistake it was to sign this dunce in the first place. <BR>
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09-08-2000, 11:54 AM	#19
Yosef_Malkovitch The Lurkiest Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Wichita, KS. Casino cash: $4505999	He actually did the same thing in the last preseason game, but everyone was more interested in talking about him spiking the ball. We have not seen the best of Elvis yet, and I think many will be in for a pleasant surprise (or a humiliating realization). Luz thank goodness others are seeing the same thing...
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09-08-2000, 12:05 PM	#20
CHIEFCOW Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: LEAVENWORTH, KS 66048 Casino cash: $10004900	Despite his detractors, Grbac is improving. I also saw him look to second and third recievers. One thing that I didn't see very much of, and I am so glad I didn't, is his classic spin to the right and run for the sideline. Grbac actually stayed in the pocket much better. Now, if he could learn to duck under the rush and pop back up and throw the TD...well that maybe asking too much... ------------------ GO CHIEFS!!!!
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09-08-2000, 10:28 AM
DoubleWannaB Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	did anyone else notice that Grbac actually looked at more than one receiver on the same play last week...at least on a few plays...seems he didn't zone in on one guy all the time like he normally does...I find this encouraging...now if only he'd learn to fall down instead of throwing stupid INTs...it could be interesting... Still a Grbacker... [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/eek.gif[/img] ------------------ joe "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together!" [This message has been edited by 58Forever (edited 09-08-2000).] [This message has been edited by 58Forever (edited 09-08-2000).]
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09-08-2000, 12:19 PM	#21
AustinChief Guest Casino cash: $	Yeah, You guys are right, he is improving. There were some good things he did during the game, but I'm afraid I'm leaning towards Cannibal's view. This guy is an 8-year veteran. He makes way too many "rookie" mistakes. ------------------ Parker [b]ChiefsPlanet Administrator[/b] [i]Jimmy Raye for President...anything to get him out of Kansas City[/i] [i]More Moreau</I>
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09-08-2000, 12:20 PM	#22
ck_IN Feels so good. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	EG is 6'5...SM is 6'3...These guys already have some sync to them...What about hallfway through the season? Watch for this to become the big news...
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09-08-2000, 12:25 PM	#23
Boise_Chief The Lurkiest Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Boise,ID Casino cash: $2424188	I'm not a Grbasher/Grbacker, just an observer. IMO, the thing that has become more obvious to me than not, is that it appears that Grbac has maxed his potential at QB. That is not all bad. What is does mean, however, is that Grbac will not make the spectacular plays we are all waiting for him to make, he will look at 1-2 primary receivers most of the time, he will throw more TD's than INT's, he should not be counted on to win games, he will make more steady plays than boneheaded plays, he will never be flashy or fleet of foot, and he will never gain the respect of Chiefs fans until he QB's a winning playoff game. Unfortunately, this isn't very sexy and won't do it for most fans, including myself. I want the QB to be the leader and playmaker on the team, something EG will never be. He would make a good starting QB for some teams (not the Chiefs), and an excellent backup for any team. JMHO.
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09-08-2000, 12:37 PM	#24
flowergirl Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Russell ks usa Casino cash: $10004900	ChiTown, I agree completely. Grbac is a marginally serviceable QB who is out of place as a starter, even though he does have infrequent "good" days. He would be an ideal backup on a team with a franchise QB. I expect him to get bounced around the league quite a bit after he's released or traded by KC during the next offseason. ------------------ This is my signature!! There are many like it but this one is mine!!
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09-08-2000, 12:53 PM	#25
Ugly Duck MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Petaluma, CA, USA Casino cash: $9955920	I pretty much agree with everyone that EG is trying to improve and I back him. IMO, I feel that Elvis would have been a very good qb in a very good offensive system. Problem is, our offensive system is so outdated. Sucks that it doesn't look like we are going to change our offensive philosophy anytime soon. At least as long as Arrowhead Stadium is always full. I'm still holding out hope that someday we will see an aggressive attacking style offense. We will have to leapfrog 50 years of offensive philosophy to do it though. Getting rid of JR would be a start. Dan<P>
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09-08-2000, 01:25 PM	#26
DoubleWannaB Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	This one's for Cannibal... I agree that EG overthrew the 3rd and 4th down passes horribly...if he puts some air under the ball like a fade is suppose to be thrown, we get a TD anyway...what I've seen Elvis do, that is one of his main faults, is that he let's the last play bother him too much...he let the TD drop to Alexander bother him so he wasn't focused enough to throw the ball right to Lockett...however...I still think he can lead us where we want to go...problem is he doesn't have anymore room for error...he's had his formative years, now it's time to perform... ChiTown, you are right on the money...everyone, including myself and I'm a big time Grbacker, expects him to make those spectacular plays...like the pass over the middle that went for and INT but could have been completed to our WR if EG had an arm like Elway or Talent like Montana...I can be happy with a vanilla QB...from the boos I heard, most can not.... ------------------ joe "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together!"
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09-08-2000, 03:08 PM	#27
BroncoFan Missed Everyone Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Bob Dole thought the same thing about the 2 passes following Alexander's drop, Miata Man. (Though admittedly, Bob Dole was 7 Bloody Marys and 3 pints of Guiness into it at that point...) EG still lets things get to him. Bob Dole has never been a big fan of any Elvis other than Costello, but has come to grips with the fact that EG is Bob Dole's favorite team's starting QB. That said, it is encouraging to see improvement, no matter how minor, and it's not going to do a d@mned bit of good to sit around and claim that he should have made these improvements 4 years ago... Bob Dole still thinks that with proper play design and selection along with good receiver coaching and training, EG could be one of the better starters in the AFC. Unfortunately, Martha Raye puts him in a [b]LOT[/b] of bad situations where Bob Dole and his dog even know what the play is going to be, which means the defense definitely knows what the play is going to be, which means that Elvis ends up with a fleet of smothered receivers as targets. Not an easy task for any QB. [This message has been edited by Robert_Dole (edited 09-08-2000).]
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09-08-2000, 03:19 PM	#28
Luzap 9.89 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $10004900	I agree that the 3rd down ball was badly overthrown & wide. However, I think Grbac was throwing to a spot (the corner) and Lockett spent too much time at the LOS stuttering & making a move. It's a timing play & Lockett threw the timing off. I don't put that one on Grbac.
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09-08-2000, 03:23 PM	#29
flowergirl Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Russell ks usa Casino cash: $10004900	Grbac should see his target before he throws it. If the timing is thrown off by the WR, the QB needs to adjust...especially if he's got plenty of time. That throw was one example of Elvis lack of improvisational ability. ------------------ This is my signature!! There are many like it but this one is mine!!
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09-08-2000, 03:25 PM	#30
DoubleWannaB Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	So tell me Mr. Dole...What's so funny about peace love and understanding?.... also a fan of Elvis C. ------------------ joe "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together!"
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