Not a rumor: Ryan Lilja may be returning to KC

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Wrong. My argument is that the window for a franchise QB who fully realizes his potential doesn't close abruptly at the end of his prime years. In this case, I'm accepting for the sake of argument that Alex Smith's prime years will end at age 33, but the truth is that it's different for each QB. And, of course, injury can always be a factor.

And you don't have to be John Elway to have an open window beyond 33. Trent Green's window was open beyond 33. The Chiefs' lack of success during those twilight years had more to do with defense, the end of Priest Holmes, the retirement of Willie Roaf, and a career truncating injury than it had to do with Trent's 34th birthday. Alex Smith may never have the modest success of Trent Green (aside from the fact that he already has some playoff success), but he certainly has at least as much potential.

If that's the case, there has been a large enough same size to show proper results.

There should be a list of qbs that fit your hypothesis.

When the truth is that the only QBs that have been superbowl players after 32/33 years old are guys that were elite nearly their whole careers.

Not Career game managers AT BEST like Alex Smith.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If that's the case, there has been a large enough same size to show proper results.

There should be a list of qbs that fit your hypothesis.

When the truth is that the only QBs that have been superbowl players after 32/33 years old are guys that were elite nearly their whole careers.

Not Career game managers AT BEST like Alex Smith.

I don't really think you understand this topic. You're too focused on hindsight whereas this is all about potential, whether it's ever realized or not.

BTW, there is a long list of QBs who fit my hypothesis, but the only thing bothering to list them will do is give you a launching pad for applying hindsight and arguing about whether or not the list proves anything. Trent Green is a representative member of the list though, as I mentioned earlier. Do you agree that his window was open beyond age 33?

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I don't really think you understand this topic. You're too focused on hindsight whereas this is all about potential, whether it's ever realized or not.

BTW, there is a long list of QBs who fit my hypothesis, but the only thing bothering to list them will do is give you a launching pad for applying hindsight and arguing about whether or not the list proves anything. Trent Green is a representative member of the list though, as I mentioned earlier. Do you agree that his window was open beyond age 33?

No, I don't agree with that.

The Chiefs made the playoffs once in Trent Greens 5 full seasons in KC...a d again, Trent did things from a quarterback perspective that Alex has never done and likely will never do.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE it if he were to begin to trust his tools and begin to attack with the ball to areas past 15 yards...but I just don't see it happening.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BossChief

No, I don't agree with that.

The Chiefs made the playoffs once in Trent Greens 5 full seasons in KC...a d again, Trent did things from a quarterback perspective that Alex has never done and likely will never do.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE it if he were to begin to trust his tools and begin to attack with the ball to areas past 15 yards...but I just don't see it happening.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. Trent Green wasn't ever the reason the Chiefs failed to make the playoffs or win a championship. When he was 34, he started all 16 games for a championship-quality Chiefs' offense (1st in the NFL in yards and first downs and 2nd in points).

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. Trent Green wasn't ever the reason the Chiefs failed to make the playoffs or win a championship. When he was 34, he started all 16 games for a championship-quality Chiefs' offense (1st in the NFL in yards and first downs and 2nd in points).

How about if we decided to take a qb after that season? Aaron Rodgers...superbowl winner

Or how about in 2008 when we didn't have a qb and took two linemen instead of taking Joe Flacco...superbowl MVP

Would we have been better off trading for Trent Green, or "reaching for a qb that wasn't worth a high pick" in Drew Brees?...superbowl winner

I ask because I Think we are about to repeat history AGAIN.

If we had a qb that was 22, that gives you 12 years to build around him...if we had another 5 years with Trent, we could have built up a defense that could have helped win it all...if you get a 29 year old one, lots of things need to fall into place QUICKLY.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BossChief

How about if we decided to take a qb after that season? Aaron Rodgers...superbowl winner

Or how about in 2008 when we didn't have a qb and took two linemen instead of taking Joe Flacco...superbowl MVP

Would we have been better off trading for Trent Green, or "reaching for a qb that wasn't worth a high pick" in Drew Brees?...superbowl winner

I ask because I Think we are about to repeat history AGAIN.

If we had a qb that was 22, that gives you 12 years to build around him...if we had another 5 years with Trent, we could have built up a defense that could have helped win it all...if you get a 29 year old one, lots of things need to fall into place QUICKLY.

I don't know what any of those three QBs would have done as a Chief. Aaron Rodgers would have had to start his career with a team that just went over the age cliff. Drew Brees, might have had a better start to his career surrounded by the Chiefs of that era, but as it was, he failed at his first stop. I've never been a fan of Joe Flacco and I don't think he would have had the success he's had in KC.

In 2001, I wasn't a fan of the trade for Trent Green when it happened, so the fact that he panned out as well as he did proved me wrong there. I can't say who I would have wanted the Chiefs to draft if they had their 1st round pick back.

In 2005, I was hoping the Chiefs would draft Derrick Johnson for several months before the draft took place, so I was very happy with that pick. He was my favorite college player that year.

In 2008, I loved the Glenn Dorsey pick. I didn't know anything about Branden Albert, but it was a position of need so I was satisfied. I never had any interest in Flacco and I still don't. I'd rather have Alex Smith than Joe Flacco.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If that's the case, there has been a large enough same size to show proper results.

There should be a list of qbs that fit your hypothesis.

When the truth is that the only QBs that have been superbowl players after 32/33 years old are guys that were elite nearly their whole careers.

Not Career game managers AT BEST like Alex Smith.

Not true.

Jim Plunket was one of the QBs beyond the age of 33 to win.

But the sample size suggests that Alex Smith winning a SB beyond the age of 33 is a slim chance.

Plunket wasn't an elite QB, but his physical skillset was higher than Smith's.