Who replaces Gunther

[R&GHomer]

Regardless of if Herm is still here "which I believe is highly unlikely". Who would you like to see as Gunther's replacement?

[jjchieffan]

Back it up with stats, because I don't remember his defenses ever being inconsistent.

[Mecca]

Point me to where there are stats from the 90s.

[banyon]

Ron Rivera or Crenel would be solid.

[MikeMaslowski]

Whoever it is... i say we chip in and put him up in a Holiday Inn Express every Saturday night of the season.

[chiefzilla1501]

Here's the deal, though.

Marty has been a head coach for three different teams where he brought a star-studded defense. THREE. In each of those teams, the team he left collapsed soon after he left.

Moral of the story? Marty is a damn good defensive coach and he's been a damn good defensive coach with AND without Gunther. Marty coached well without Gunther, but Gunther has yet to coach well without Marty.

Seems pretty obvious that Gunther was piggy-backing off the coattails of Marty.

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Pardon me for being a Gunther apologist. While I too am disappointed in his defenses in his second stint, I still can't forget his defenses in his first stint. This article is a good recap of those years, which we all long to see again, and who better to bring those days back then the man who did it the first time.

Who Needs Offense With Chiefs' Defense?

By THOMAS GEORGE
Published: September 10, 1996

The Chiefs have the type of defense that can carry an offense. The Chiefs have the type of defense that can propel Kansas City into Super Bowl XXXI.

This Kansas City defense returns each starter from a unit that finished second league-wide in defense a year ago. They can rock you up the middle, catch you around the end and sprint with you downfield. They knock the ball loose. They catch it. They even score with it, sometimes more than the opponent's offense.

That was the case here on Sunday. Chiefs defense 9, Oakland Raiders offense 3. That was the subplot of Kansas City's 19-3 victory over the Raiders at Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City's seventh straight over Oakland.

The Chiefs blocked a field goal, forced two turnovers, made two sacks, scored a safety and returned a fumble 80 yards for a touchdown. This was hot stuff. This was like watching cheese melt on a grill. They made the Raiders' offense look gooey and sticky, especially near the Chiefs' goal line.

Every defense needs a little help from its offense. In recent seasons, the Chiefs' offense has not done its part, which is why Kansas City has consistently been bounced early in the playoffs. While the quarterback, Steve Bono, was shaky on Sunday, the offense contributed with a running game that featured 31 rushing attempts. Kansas City is now 50-2 in the 90's when it runs 30 or more times in a game. Included in that streak is a string of 31 consecutive victories. When Kansas City can run it, coupled with this defense, this team is nearly unbeatable.

There were other ways the Chiefs' offense helped the defense. Art Shell, the Raiders' Hall of Fame tackle, used to be the Raiders head coach. He is the Chiefs' offensive line coach now.

''Art came into the defensive linemen's meeting last week and he sat down with us and told us each of their offensive linemen's strengths and weaknesses,'' said Chiefs end Neil Smith. ''That helps to hear it coming from their former coach. It helps coming from a former player. Art wants us to win and he wants to beat the Raiders. There is still some bitterness there, just like in the Kansas City-Oakland rivalry.''

Score another one for Shell. He is 3-0 now versus the Raiders. Score another one for Marcus Allen. The former Raiders running back is now 7-0 versus his old team. Score another one for the Chiefs' defense. It has scored a touchdown in each of the last four Raiders games.

This Chiefs' defense does not have a weak link.

Peek at the line. From left to right, it is Smith, Joe Phillips, Dan Saleaumua and Vaughn Booker. Smith is the most talented, Saleaumua the most gritty.

Peek at the linebackers: Derrick Thomas, Tracy Simien and Anthony Davis. Thomas gained both sacks and was responsible for the Chiefs' safety when he knocked Raiders quarterback Billy Joe Hobert silly in the end zone in the fourth quarter for the game's final points. Simien gained a second-quarter interception. Booker is a rock to block -- he is 6 feet 5 inches and weighs 293 pounds.

Peek at the secondary. It is James Hasty and Dale Carter at the corners and Mark Collins and Brian Washington at the safety position. Hasty is one of the stronger cornerbacks around (207 pounds), but he moves like a running back. Carter is a supreme talent. Collins covers as much ground as any free safety in the league and Washington (210 pounds) packs a punch at strong safety.

It was the Thomas-Hasty combination that ultimately foiled the Raiders. Opening the second half, after the Raiders had driven from their 24 to the Chiefs' 5, Thomas steamed around the Raiders left end and crushed Hobert. Hasty grabbed the loose ball and sped 80 yards for a touchdown, turning a potential tying Raiders score into a 14-0 Chiefs lead.

Take a strong defense and toss in a spectacular player and you have the makings of something special. That is the Chiefs' defense, positioned by the creative coordinator Gunther Cunningham. That is Thomas. In two games he has four sacks. He has career marks of 19 multiple sack games now, 89 sacks and 35 forced fumbles.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Here's the deal, though.

. Marty coached well without Gunther, but Gunther has yet to coach well without Marty.

Seems pretty obvious that Gunther was piggy-backing off the coattails of Marty.

I agree 100% and have thought that for a long time even when gun was hired as HC.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Back it up with stats, because I don't remember his defenses ever being inconsistent.

Are you really defending Gunther?

1995 Chiefs - 2nd overall defense
1996 Chiefs - 18th overall defense
1997 Chiefs - 11th overall defense
1998 Chiefs - 9th overall defense

[Friendo]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Here's the deal, though.

Marty has been a head coach for three different teams where he brought a star-studded defense. THREE. In each of those teams, the team he left collapsed soon after he left.

Moral of the story? Marty is a damn good defensive coach and he's been a damn good defensive coach with AND without Gunther. Marty coached well without Gunther, but Gunther has yet to coach well without Marty.

Seems pretty obvious that Gunther was piggy-backing off the coattails of Marty.

it would seem so

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by TRR

I have no clue as to why some posters on here say that Herm will be gone. He has the backing of Clark Hunt, and has done a good job collecting young talent. I am of the opinion that Herm was in a no-win situation with the shit he took over, and is finally starting to get his own players in the mix. Why change now? I think it sets us back, especially when a new coach isn't going to want to stay with Gailey.

HOW IN THE HELL COULD IT SET US BACK?

We are running a gimmick offense and have the 32nd ranked defense.

What are we going to have next year? 1 win, zero wins? Would that be a setback?

It truly amazes me that people actually defend this loser on a daily basis.

[smittysbar]

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

are reading the posts you quote, or just skimming over them and then spitting out more garble about Herm's three years? He came in and inherieted a team, it backed into the playoffs. Last year he wanted to do what he did this year, get rid of alot of the old timers and get some fresh young players to build upon. Last year was for carl, IMO - one more chance to complete his "five year" plan. turley wasn't what Herm wanted, he's what Carl wanted.
This year they dismantled the team and started building youth. Herm got what he wanted, he sold the change of philosophy to Clark and NOW CARL IS GONE. The team, particularly the defense endured alot of injuries. Hard to stay on schedule when you have to keep changing planes/trains.

Just looking for the silver lining.....

Sorry CC, but if you thought this was the first year of the rebuild...........not the case

[smittysbar]

Originally Posted by TRR

Dismantle as in out with the old, and in with the new. Herm wanted to go young. He didn't want to hold onto aging vets, and start a guy like Damon Huard. He didn't want to keep and play a guy like Sammy Knight, Ty Law, Pat Surtain. He wanted a fresh team, with fresh players. He has that now. Let's give him a chance to see what he can do with it.

I'm all for hanging Herm like the rest of you if he can't get the job done with his players (and he supposedly has them now) but I don't believe he has had a fair chance without Carl dictating the gameplan to him.

Can you prove this, or just off of one quote off of hard knocks that is edited to make drama?

[smittysbar]

Originally Posted by TRR

Carl Peterson brought in Ty Law. He pushed for him from the beginning. As soon as his skills eroded, he was gone and youth was in. Herm's decision again to go young.

Also, whoever was talking about dismantling a team, and teams doing that every year in the draft...not like what we did this season. KC started rookies at LT, CB, CB, DT, Nickel CB, and played second year players at DE, DT, amongst other positions. When you "dismantle" a team, it's done like Herm did it.

God, WTF.........Herm Wanted Law......BAD, he pushed for him

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

IS there any young and upcoming asst to eagles DC Jim Johnson?

Pete Jenkins
Defensive Line Coach


With 34 years of experience tutoring quality defensive lines on the collegiate level, Pete Jenkins was added to the Eagles coaching staff in 2006. For the 66-year-old Jenkins, this is his first NFL coaching stint. Jenkins had retired to Santa Rosa Beach, FL, in 2002 after a second tour of duty as the defensive line coach at LSU.

The Eagles defensive line has ranked 4th in the NFL in sacks during each of the last two seasons (31 in 2006 and 30 in 2007). Under Jenkins' tutelage, DE Trent Cole has flourished, earning his first career Pro Bowl berth after a 12.5-sack, 103-tackle season. Additionally, Cole and DT Mike Patterson (114) each eclipsed the 100-tackle mark, becoming the first Eagles defensive line pair to do so since 1991 (Jerome Brown, Clyde Simmons, Reggie White, and Mike Pitts). The defensive line also contributed heavily to the NFL's 7th-ranked rushing defense (95.8 yards per game and 3.8 yards per carry).

Throughout his career, Jenkins has coached 17 All-SEC performers and over 30 linemen who have gone on to play in the NFL, including Leonard Marshall, Henry Thomas, Kendrick Allen, Marcus Spears and Jarvis Green at LSU, David Galloway at Florida, Kevin Henry at Mississippi State, and Leonardo Carson at Auburn. In fact, 12 of his defensive lineman were active on NFL rosters in 1992.

Eagles offensive line coach Juan Castillo, who often visited Jenkins during his tenure at LSU, learned many of his coaching techniques from him.

"I thought I was a pretty good line coach 'til I met him," said Castillo. "What a coach. That's where it all started for me as far as being a teacher. Coach Jenkins is an excellent teacher and fundamentals are so important for him."

Jenkins' second stint with LSU was highlighted with an SEC Championship in 2001, as the team went 10-3 and earned a Sugar Bowl victory over Illinois. In all, Jenkins has been a part of five SEC Championship squads (four with LSU in 1984, 1986, 1988 and 2001 and one with Auburn in 1997) and 21 postseason bowl games during his career.

Jenkins originally broke into the college ranks as the defensive coordinator for Troy State in 1968 when Troy won the NAIA national championship. He then moved to South Carolina for four seasons and Southern Mississippi for three years before embarking on one-year stops at Oklahoma State and Florida. Jenkins arrived at LSU in 1980 and spent 11 years there serving as a defensive line coach, defensive coordinator and assistant head coach. He then worked four years at Mississippi State and five at Auburn before rejoining LSU under head coach Nick Saban.


http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/te...asp?coach_id=6

[milkman]

Originally Posted by TRR

He made the playoffs his first season. By all accounts, Herm wanted to dismantle the team the following year, but Carl Peterson over-ruled him, and wanted to scotch tape the team together for one more run. (which failed). This year was a rebuilding year. Nobody including Clark Hunt thought KC was going to be a contender.

Now I'm not saying that Herm Edwards is the second coming, but let's give the guy a shot to win with his players, his way. Either that, or let's be like the Washington Redskins, and hire a new coach every 2-3 years, and never get anywhere.

Your looking for the quick fix, and there isn't one.

If the San Diego game was the straw that broke the Carl's back, then should do the same thing for Herman ****ing Edwards.

There have been three games, the Jets, the Bucs, and this last game, that the Chiefs had the chance to win, and getting out coached in the second half was directly responsible for those losses.

Herman ****ing Edwards is a guy that's going to redefine mediocrity if given the chance.

Why the **** anyone would argue that he should be retained for another season is a mystery.

[journeyscarab]

i think we Clark decides to grow some balls and totally clean house. I think that Gaily will stay but i think Gunth is gone. I think we decide to pay big money for Rex Ryan, and bring back Bill Cowher as head coach. How great would that be?