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Old 06-26-2019, 07:48 AM  
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Chris Jones clearly has eyes on the future
Following latest comments, this could get a bit messier than I had previously thought.

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Old 06-26-2019, 08:42 AM   #16
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We were just about to ink Hill, we traded for and paid Clark, and we kinda left Jones on the back burner. I'm sure he isn't feeling the love right now.

A question I have is does Veach and company value Clark more than Jones? I will say Clark had 14 sacks with half the supporting cast of Jones. Clark was all the Seahawks had.

Another question I have is what's the chances of Chiefs franchising Jones and trading him like they did Ford?
Clark played out the last year of his contract with no guarantee's. Jones had a great season last year- Chiefs don't want another Dee Ford situation thats all.
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:43 AM   #17
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No worth his price. He needs to come down to reality. Where was he when we get ran over on the ground? Sacks mean shit. Not that important of a stat.
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:45 AM   #18
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Guys this whole article is dumb because the writer misread the tweet. He’s saying he can wait until he gets a one day contract in retirement (DJ/JC) because he has a decade more to play.
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:49 AM   #19
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No worth his price. He needs to come down to reality. Where was he when we get ran over on the ground? Sacks mean shit. Not that important of a stat.
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:56 AM   #20
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Don't overpay him, Chiefs have leverage here, let him play his contract fine him for every day he's not there, let him be a RFA see if the market wants to pay him for sitting most of a year.
So they will cave
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:57 AM   #21
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Meh.

It's been reported on here several different times, from various sources, that he HAS to report to training camp by Aug. 6th (due to being on a rookie deal) or he loses an accrued season and would be a restricted FA after this season rather than a standard FA.

He may not show TILL then, but he'll be there . . . . . . . and play his butt off this year because he clearly wants to get paid the big money.

Not worried at all. He'll be balling out again this year on a cheap price tag if they don't get a deal done.
He'll show up then.

Not be in football shape and end up hurt.
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:57 AM   #22
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Clark played out the last year of his contract with no guarantee's. Jones had a great season last year- Chiefs don't want another Dee Ford situation thats all.

That's a great point on Clark manning up and playing out his contract. Wouldn't surprise me if Jones has to wait a year to get paid.
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:59 AM   #23
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No worth his price. He needs to come down to reality. Where was he when we get ran over on the ground? Sacks mean shit. Not that important of a stat.
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:21 AM   #24
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He'll show up then.

Not be in football shape and end up hurt.
Well, if that ends up happening, that’s on him and his agent.

And the Chiefs will have probably dodged the bullet on another huge over the market contract (see: Berry, Houston) that comes back to bite them later.

So Chiefs win either way as far as I’m concerned.

I like Jones and would like to see him a part of the team going forward, but it needs to be at a fair price. At this point, Jones has a LOT more to lose than the Chiefs.
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Well, if that ends up happening, that’s on him and his agent.

And the Chiefs will have probably dodged the bullet on another huge over the market contract (see: Berry, Houston) that comes back to bite them later.

So Chiefs win either way as far as I’m concerned.

I like Jones and would like to see him a part of the team going forward, but it needs to be at a fair price. At this point, Jones has a LOT more to lose than the Chiefs.
The Chiefs need Jones to play well in order to win this year and be a superbowl contender.

He gets hurt ala the franchise tag holdouts tend to do and is in and out of the lineup with a hammy or groin or something, it hurts the Chiefs on the field.
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:32 AM   #26
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We value Jones. Don't let this "fake" drama confuse you.

This gets done, likely before training camp. I get why he wants Frank Clark type money, you would too. Its all part of the process. If Carl Petersen was the GM I'd be nervous. Veach gets this done. I have no doubt.

Tyreek is the difficult one.

Hell I think I'd lock up Fuller while I'm at it if I'm Veach. I don't know what I'd do with Tyreek. That's a really difficult situation.
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:36 AM   #27
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The Chiefs need Jones to play well in order to win this year and be a superbowl contender.

He gets hurt ala the franchise tag holdouts tend to do and is in and out of the lineup with a hammy or groin or something, it hurts the Chiefs on the field.
Yes, they are a better team on the field with him than without him, but, again, if he chooses to do something that jeopardizes his financial future, that’s on him and his agent, not the Chiefs.

He’s a great player, but he’s not irreplaceable. Patrick Mahomes is the ONLY player on this team that gets that designation.

If he’s more concerned about being the highest paid DT (or close to) than being a key defensive cog on a potential Super Bowl winning team, then his loss.
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We value Jones. Don't let this "fake" drama confuse you.

This gets done, likely before training camp. I get why he wants Frank Clark type money, you would too. Its all part of the process. If Carl Petersen was the GM I'd be nervous. Veach gets this done. I have no doubt.

Tyreek is the difficult one.

Hell I think I'd lock up Fuller while I'm at it if I'm Veach. I don't know what I'd do with Tyreek. That's a really difficult situation.
If that is all he and his agent are wanting, this deal would have already been done by now.
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We value Jones. Don't let this "fake" drama confuse you.

This gets done, likely before training camp. I get why he wants Frank Clark type money, you would too. Its all part of the process. If Carl Petersen was the GM I'd be nervous. Veach gets this done. I have no doubt.

Tyreek is the difficult one.

Hell I think I'd lock up Fuller while I'm at it if I'm Veach. I don't know what I'd do with Tyreek. That's a really difficult situation.
I agree. Jones is just doing what is in his best interest, positioning for the contract talks. You don't let a player like that get away, Veach will get it done.

Hill doesn't fit the mold of a guy you give a big money, long term deal to - he has obvious character issues and when he loses a step he won't be worth what the contract is paying. I know that on CP people think he's the fastest player in the NFL by 3 steps, but the reality is that when his speed declines he won't be worth elite money.

You pay Jones, and if Hill stays out of trouble and wants to sign a deal that is friendly to the team, and you can squeeze him in with other priorities, ok. Otherwise you continue stockpiling talent at the skill positions on offense and let someone else overpay him.
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Chris Jones was on the field last year and the Defense was garbage.

The biggest difference maker is going to be the subtraction of Bob Sutton and the addition of a 4-3 scheme.

While I like Chris Jones, he doesn't have the leverage... see how he plays in the NFL under Spags... and if he will be worth it in the future.
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