What kind of HC do you want next?

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Young coordinator, offensive. No more retreads. No more defensive coaches. I want a young guy that could feasibly coach here for 15 years and then leave for a cushy studio job. I want somebody aggressive and innovative.

bingo...mind melding

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Young coordinator, offensive. No more retreads. No more defensive coaches. I want a young guy that could feasibly coach here for 15 years and then leave for a cushy studio job. I want somebody aggressive and innovative.

I don't know where we got the impression that defensive coaches can't encourage innovation. I think Jeff Fisher and Herm Edwards scare people away. Nobody wants an old school defense/run heavy coach. Nobody wants a pure X's and O's guy like Romeo or Ron Rivera.

Chuck Pagano and Mike Smith run very progressive offenses behind a franchise QB. Leslie Frazier has run a pretty aggressive offense behind Christian Ponder. Mike Tomlin, prior to this year, ran a really aggressive pass offense in Pittsburgh. And you're forgetting that that innovative offense Mike McCoy has run throughout his time in Denver? He coaches for a defensive coach in John Fox.

Why? Because these guys are good head coaches. Regardless of what side of the ball they are more experienced with.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't know where we got the impression that defensive coaches can't encourage innovation.

I don't know where you get the impression that I said that.

And you're forgetting that that innovative offense Mike McCoy has run throughout his time in Denver?

I'm forgetting? I didn't mention him.

Why? Because these guys are good head coaches. Regardless of what side of the ball they are more experienced with.

The reason *I* want an offensive coach is because 1) defensive coaches have a tendency towards conservative play, players and philosophy, 2) the NFL is becoming an increasingly offensive league and I believe that aforementioned conservative mindset puts a team at a disadvantage, and 3) we've had primarily defensive coaches here for the last 20 years. They tried something else with Vermeil, they sort of tried something else with Haley, but the lion's share of time has been spent on Marty, Gun, Herm and now Crennel. I'd like to see the franchise truly try to go another direction, actually step into the 21st century NFL, and do it starting from the ground up, with a drafted quarterback that becomes the face of the team for the next decade. No more 'play not to lose' philosophy. No more hiring other teams' backups as starters behind center. No more parroting other teams way of doing things a couple of years after the rest of the league figures it out. No more old coaches trying to recover past glory. It's time to make a name for ourselves. It's time to actually do our own thing.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I don't know where you get the impression that I said that.I'm forgetting? I didn't mention him.The reason *I* want an offensive coach is because 1) defensive coaches have a tendency towards conservative play, players and philosophy, 2) the NFL is becoming an increasingly offensive league and I believe that aforementioned conservative mindset puts a team at a disadvantage, and 3) we've had primarily defensive coaches here for the last 20 years. They tried something else with Vermeil, they sort of tried something else with Haley, but the lion's share of time has been spent on Marty, Gun, Herm and now Crennel. I'd like to see the franchise truly try to go another direction, actually step into the 21st century NFL, and do it starting from the ground up, with a drafted quarterback that becomes the face of the team for the next decade. No more 'play not to lose' philosophy. No more hiring other teams' backups as starters behind center. No more parroting other teams way of doing things a couple of years after the rest of the league figures it out. No more old coaches trying to recover past glory. It's time to make a name for ourselves. It's time to actually do our own thing.

I get what you're coming from. But I don't buy into the idea that defensive coaches don't understand the importance of a good QB or would be conservative. Younger defensive coaches grew up in a passing league too. They've had to scheme against QBs. So they'd probably understand the importance of a good QB. And I don't think the newer batch of head coaches are going to be Herm Edwards. And a lot of newer defensive coaches are allowing for a more innovative passing scheme.

[BossChief]

We need to go ALL IN on whoever we draft to be the franchise QB, not go half assed.

I want an innovative offensive mind running the show and for us to double down with another great offensive mind at OC and a QB coach that knows the intricacies of the position.

Having a HC that is a defensive guy fails a lot more often than it works out.

We need to jump start this team into the new era with an innovator and Im not interested in another defensive head coach.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

We need to go ALL IN on whoever we draft to be the franchise QB, not go half assed.

I want an innovative offensive mind running the show and for us to double down with another great offensive mind at OC and a QB coach that knows the intricacies of the position.

Having a HC that is a defensive guy fails a lot more often than it works out.

We need to jump start this team into the new era with an innovator and Im not interested in another defensive head coach.

You are making shit up. 6 of the 11 top teams (above .500) are defensive head coaches. Matt Ryan and Christian Ponder are developing wonderfully under a defensive coach. Andrew Luck looks to be developing great under Pagano. Andy Dalton and Joe Flacco have developed nicely under Marvin Lewis and John Harbaugh. Last year, 5 of the 7 new hires were defensive coaches. There is nothing wrong with a defensive head coach if you hire a good offensive coordinator to complement him.

If you want an innovative offense, then hire a good offensive coordinator. I don't give a shit about how innovative the head coach is. X's and O's guys don't' always make good head coaches. Hire a coach who knows how to discipline his team, then put a talented, innovative offensive coordinator underneath him.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by BossChief

We need to go ALL IN on whoever we draft to be the franchise QB, not go half assed.

I want an innovative offensive mind running the show and for us to double down with another great offensive mind at OC and a QB coach that knows the intricacies of the position.

Having a HC that is a defensive guy fails a lot more often than it works out.

We need to jump start this team into the new era with an innovator and Im not interested in another defensive head coach.

This. Mike McCoy would be my choice. Put him at HC and then get Norv Turner to be the OC. Those 2 know QB's. Plus Norv isn't getting a HC job ever again, so he'd be here for a long time.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RunKC

This. Mike McCoy would be my choice. Put him at HC and then get Norv Turner to be the OC. Those 2 know QB's. Plus Norv isn't getting a HC job ever again, so he'd be here for a long time.

My OC candidate would be John Morton out of San Francisco. I like his pedigree. Been a passing game coordinator for Sean Payton, Pete Carroll, and a WRs coach under Jim Harbaugh.

[shaggyshane]

Originally Posted by BossChief

We need to go ALL IN on whoever we draft to be the franchise QB, not go half assed.

I want an innovative offensive mind running the show and for us to double down with another great offensive mind at OC and a QB coach that knows the intricacies of the position.

Having a HC that is a defensive guy fails a lot more often than it works out.

We need to jump start this team into the new era with an innovator and Im not interested in another defensive head coach.

I agree. Especially since KC more than likely will be drafting a franchise QB. I want a coach that is willing to grow with the QB. I have always wanted Al Saunders but for some reason he was overlooked as a head coach numerous times by not only KC, but several teams.

[Tribal Warfare]

A competent HC that can get the absolute best out of his players.

[xztop12]

chip kelly is an interesting option

[DaneMcCloud]

I don't think many of you guys inderstand the role of a good head coach.

Also, all this "hard ass" nonsense has been rendered moot by the new CBA. There is very little hitting and physical work allowed in training camp and weekly practices.

The next head coach needs to be organized, detailed and firm with his offensive and defensive philosophies and command respect of his players.

The Chiefs should avoid, at all costs, retreads like Reid, Holmgren and especially Cowher.

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't think many of you guys inderstand the role of a good head coach.

Also, all this "hard ass" nonsense has been rendered moot by the new CBA. There is very little hitting and physical work allowed in training camp and weekly practices.

The next head coach needs to be organized, detailed and firm with his offensive and defensive philosophies and command respect of his players.

The Chiefs should avoid, at all costs, retreads like Reid, Holmgren and especially Cowher.

THIS. Although I'm not as convinced that hard ass coaches are gone.

From the NFL.com article, Chip Kelley is the most interesting to me. His profile sounds like the kind of guy that can handle an NFL team...the organization and creativity and ability to communicate all stand out. I'm most interested in him. I'm intrigued by Brad Seeley...but don't know enough.

I'm least interested in Mike McCoy. I can't put my finger on it, but I get this feeling that he'll always be a guy that's a good OC, but isn't cut out for the lead chair.

[malachi47000]

I know he is a retread, but he has taken 2 teams to the SB and has just announced he wants to get back to being a HC. He doesn't care to much for the GM duties and thus would work with a GM and not try to take control. Check out his record:

Head coaching record
NFL Champions
Team Year Regular season Post-season
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
GNB 1992 9 7 0 .563 2nd in NFC Central - - - -
GNB 1993 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC Central 1 1 .500 Lost to Dallas Cowboys in NFC Divisional Game.
GNB 1994 9 7 0 .563 2nd in NFC Central 1 1 .500 Lost to Dallas Cowboys in NFC Divisional Game.
GNB 1995 11 5 0 .688 1st in NFC Central 2 1 .667 Lost to Dallas Cowboys in NFC Championship Game.
GNB 1996 13 3 0 .813 1st in NFC Central 3 0 1.000 Won Super Bowl XXXI.
GNB 1997 13 3 0 .813 1st in NFC Central 2 1 .667 Lost to Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XXXII.
GNB 1998 11 5 0 .688 2nd in NFC Central 0 1 .000 Lost to San Francisco 49ers in NFC Wild-Card Game.
GNB Total 75 37 0 .670 9 5 .643

SEA 1999 9 7 0 .563 1st in AFC West 0 1 .000 Lost to Miami Dolphins in AFC Wild-Card Game.
SEA 2000 6 10 0 .375 4th in AFC West - - - -
SEA 2001 9 7 0 .563 2nd in AFC West - - - -
SEA 2002 7 9 0 .438 3rd in NFC West - - - -
SEA 2003 10 6 0 .625 2nd in NFC West 0 1 0.000 Lost to Green Bay Packers in NFC Wild-Card Game.
SEA 2004 9 7 0 .563 1st in NFC West 0 1 0.000 Lost to St. Louis Rams in NFC Wild-Card Game
SEA 2005 13 3 0 .813 1st in NFC West 2 1 0.667 Lost to Pittsburgh Steelers in Super Bowl XL.
SEA 2006 9 7 0 .563 1st in NFC West 1 1 0.500 Lost to Chicago Bears in NFC Divisional Game.
SEA 2007 10 6 0 .625 1st in NFC West 1 1 0.500 Lost to Green Bay Packers in NFC Divisional Game.
SEA 2008 4 12 0 .250 3rd in NFC West - - - -
SEA Total 86 74 0 .541 4 6 .400
Total 161 111 0 .592 13 11 .542

He also is a QB coach who has worked with Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre and Matt Hasselbeck (all PRO BOWL QBS) and has ties with Jim Zorn. As long as he doesn't get any of the GM duties (which he doesn't want, all he wants to do is coach) then he could take a good QB in the draft and turn this team around.

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"When Randy Lerner brought the curtain down on an ownership that was too long and too disengaged, it also fell on his top lieutenant, "The Big Show," Mike Holmgren. In keeping with the theme of Lerner's ownership, Holmgren himself seemed fundamentally disconnected from his job.

Before leaving, probably sooner and not later, Holmgren this week indicated he might be up for an encore somewhere else. Only not at that team president thing. At being a coach. At the thing at which he's very, very good. "

http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/...as_out_of.html
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This wouldn't be my first choice as a coach, however he could be someone to consider. Flame away...