Chiefs Geno Smith outplaying Mark Sanchez - Page 11

Hammock Parties · 08-01-2013, 05:14 PM

Suck it, haters. Suck the choco-penii of destiny, feel it's power. It could have been ours.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...-training-camp

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CORTLAND, N.Y. -- Rookie Geno Smith has outplayed Mark Sanchez through the first week of training camp, pulling even or perhaps ahead in the New York Jets' quarterback competition.

"He can do more" than Sanchez, one veteran said Wednesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

It was Sanchez's turn to lead the starting unit and he struggled, throwing an interception for the second straight practice. Smith has yet to throw an interception in team drills over the first five practices.

It's premature to anoint a starter -- after all, they haven't begun live tackling -- but the early development is noteworthy because people close to the team expected Sanchez, based on his experience, to look sharper than Smith at the outset. That hasn't been the case.

"Everybody gets enamored with the guy who throws a 96 mph fastball," coach Rex Ryan said of Smith. To be politically correct, Ryan quickly added, "But Mark certainly has a good enough arm to play in this league."

It didn't sound like a ringing endorsement. Sanchez declined to say whether he believes he's leading the competition.

"I don't know, ask the coaches," he said. "I feel good, though. I feel confident. I feel like I'm playing really well."

Smith has sparkled with his accuracy, but he tends to hold the ball too long when facing pressure, according to Ryan. That, he said, "concerns me a little bit." The organization knows what it has in Sanchez, who was benched late last season.

Privately, the hope is that Smith can master the offense and seize the starting job. Even if he doesn't win it, Smith will be involved in the offense. Even though Tim Tebow is gone, Ryan said he remains committed to running the ball from the quarterback position.

He's intrigued by Smith's running ability, which would give the Jets a run-pass option at the quarterback position. Ryan acknowledged the plan, admitting last year's strategy under former coordinator Tony Sparano was ill-conceived. They never trusted Tebow to throw the ball. Whenever they used him, it usually was a read-option running play between the tackles.

"I think if that's the only thing you do with that position, why don't you just leave a running back in, a guy that's trained to do it?" Ryan said, second-guessing last season's approach. "If you're going to have a quarterback do it, like a (Colin) Kaepernick or somebody like that, it becomes more of a weapon because you know it's not just Tebow coming and he's going to run the ball. That's kind of where we were last year."

Ryan laughed when asked if he plans to use the Wildcat (or read-option) more than last year. Tebow finished with 32 rushes, averaging only 3.2 yards per carry.

"We probably will because, you guys say it, we never used it," he said. "So I would say, yeah, I think that will be part of what we do."

In the Wildcat, the ball is snapped to a nonquarterback. In those situations, the Jets can utilize wide receiver Jeremy Kerley or a running back, probably Bilal Powell. When Smith is on the field, either as the starter or a change-of-pace quarterback, they can employ the read-option.

The presence of new quarterbacks coach David Lee, one of the Wildcat innovators, is another reason the team is planning to use it. Sanchez said he could run the read-option, but there's little chance of that happening. His running ability will forever be linked to the "Butt Fumble," when he ran into a lineman's rear end last season.

Smith's athleticism could be a factor in the quarterback decision. Sanchez acknowledged that Smith is "very talented when it comes to that stuff. But I can't worry about it." Sanchez joked about the quarterback competition, mentioning that he sees more front-office types on the field for practice, scribbling notes during routine drills.

He said it reminds him of his rookie year in 2009, when he won the job against Kellen Clemens.

"For you (reporters), it's your job, but it's funny to see everybody else charting stuff," he said. "Everything is under scrutiny. There's a ton of pressure. That's the way you like it; that's the way you play this position."

Setsuna · 08-03-2013, 12:28 AM

Dane keeps asking that same question and has been answered many a time. I wouldn't waste time answering it. He can't comprehend different scenarios and without reason defends the current one.

beach tribe · 08-03-2013, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

List the teams that have two high quality pass rushers.

Once you are done, realize that we spent the top pick in the draft to "counter" the second best guy on those lists.

Now, realize how bad our receivers are and think how much more explosive our offense could be if we had just kept Winston at RT, traded down a few spots and took Tavon Austin to play across from Bowe and in the slot with Avery out wide.

I dont know how anyone can think what we did is better, but time will tell.

Like I've said a few times already, I hope I'm wrong this time.

Who would we trade down with?
I would have been cool with Austin at 1.1.
Hell he did for Geno what Bowe did for JaMarcus.

Brando · 08-03-2013, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby

Dane keeps asking that same question and has been answered many a time. I wouldn't waste time answering it. He can't comprehend different scenarios and without reason defends the current one.

I am guessing your mouth is only capable of spewing vitriolic diarrhea instead of answering the question. I'll give you three options it shouldn't be: Cassel, Quinn and Chocolate Peni.

**BossChief** · 08-03-2013, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Best run blocking line.
PFF has them rated 7 in pass blocking and PFO has them at 29th. In pass blocking.
The fact that he gets sacked that much could also give credence to the thinking that pass blockers may be a very important piece that Reid and Dorsey knew they would need....
Im just playing the new regimes advocate.
Im sick of seeing all these ****ing cry baby threads about about Geno.
Half the people here will be smiling if we lose and Geno wins.
Those people can suck my dick.

Smiling in disappointment...

Shit, you may think I am part of that group...but here I am after spending a bunch of cash and driving over 5 hours each way to see this team myself in camp.

I just want to FOR ONCE see this team stop with the excuses and draft their own quarterback and stop dumpster diving for other teams scraps.

I understand this may be too much to ask.

beach tribe · 08-03-2013, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

List the teams that have two high quality pass rushers.

Once you are done, realize that we spent the top pick in the draft to "counter" the second best guy on those lists.

Now, realize how bad our receivers are and think how much more explosive our offense could be if we had just kept Winston at RT, traded down a few spots and took Tavon Austin to play across from Bowe and in the slot with Avery out wide.

I dont know how anyone can think what we did is better, but time will tell.

Like I've said a few times already, I hope I'm wrong this time.

Again, our greatest rival, who stands between us and the division title, has the best pass rusher in the world.........and he eats RTs.
Thats what we countered.
If you cant see any value there...Im wasting my time.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-03-2013, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Let's say we took Geno/Manuel/Glennon/etc and he busts.

Wouldn't it be safe to say we would be in position to try again in the next 2 years then?

Bridgewater or Murray, then...if Geno//// ends the season strong and we don't win a lot of games, then we would be in position to take Clowney or another QB.

Either would be superior to Alex Smith and there would still be the chance of one of those guys hitting their upside and winning a championship for us.

After the events of the 2012 season, in addition to the past six seasons of futility (if not 20+ years), why do you believes that Clark Hunt could trot out a team with a rookie QB with serious question marks or a piece of crap like Kolb?

The NFL doesn't exist in a vacuum. Unfortunately, there are responsibilities that go far beyond reaching for a QB.

How many people would show up in November if this team is once again, an incompetent, uncompetitive piece of crap?

beach tribe · 08-03-2013, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Smiling in disappointment...

Shit, you may think I am part of that group...but here I am after spending a bunch of cash and driving over 5 hours each way to see this team myself in camp.

I just want to FOR ONCE see this team stop with the excuses and draft their own quarterback and stop dumpster diving for other teams scraps.

I understand this may be too much to ask.

Its not too much at all.
I just told my brother the EXACT same thing when he asked me why Chiefs wasnt every other word out of my mouth now that its August.
But that doesnt make Geno the answer or make the fisher pick a wasted one.

**Easy 6** · 08-03-2013, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

No he was not the best we could get.

THAT IS ****ING HORSE SHIT AND I'M TIRED OF ****ING HEARING IT.

And other non - True Fans - are sick of hearing the HORSE SHIT that he was this clubs only salvation.

Every single personnel man in the NF****ING L decided he wasnt worth it, but woe unto KC who missed out on the god of the gridiron... he simply isnt that good, what is so hard to understand about that?

WE GOTTA HAVE A FIRST ROUND QB NO MATTER WHAT... i've lost track of how many times i've said that in the past, but to just reach out for a guy whom EVERY SINGLE other expert in the field passed on? **** that, is a future left tackle sexy, no... but he's just as good looking as some done nothing rookie QB who NOBODY wanted early.

Mother****erJones · 08-03-2013, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Who would we trade down with?
I would have been cool with Austin at 1.1.
Hell he did for Geno what Bowe did for JaMarcus.

Exactly everyone wanted a trade down. The raiders went from 3 to 12 for a 2nd round pick.

stevieray · 08-03-2013, 12:38 AM

wait a minute, the planet's new hero is outplaying the planets old hero?

...seems fitting... and pathetic.

**BossChief** · 08-03-2013, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

After the events of the 2012 season, in addition to the past six seasons of futility (if not 20+ years), why do you believes that Clark Hunt could trot out a team with a rookie QB with serious question marks or a piece of crap like Kolb?

The NFL doesn't exist in a vacuum. Unfortunately, there are responsibilities that go far beyond reaching for a QB.

How many people would show up in November if this team is once again, an incompetent, uncompetitive piece of crap?

I'd take Kolb and 2 second rounders for Alex Smith right now without blinking an eye and would try to get the deal finalized before they got a chance to think about it.

beach tribe · 08-03-2013, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

No he was not the best we could get.

THAT IS ****ING HORSE SHIT AND I'M TIRED OF ****ING HEARING IT.

WHO WAS THEN ANGRY CAPS KEYMASHER?

beach tribe · 08-03-2013, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I'd take Kolb and 2 second rounders for Alex Smith right now without blinking an eye and would try to get the deal finalized before they got a chance to think about it.

And his former coach didnt even consider him.
I would call that a tell tale sign.

9er guy · 08-03-2013, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I'd take Kolb and 2 second rounders for Alex Smith right now without blinking an eye and would try to get the deal finalized before they got a chance to think about it.

Man. That might be a stretch. I've never seen Kolb do anything of note at any at time ever. Smitty at least strung together some nice wins.

beach tribe · 08-03-2013, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Exactly everyone wanted a trade down. The raiders went from 3 to 12 for a 2nd round pick.

Why would they trade with us when they could still get their guy at 3?
Hmmmm

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