Jaworski rates Chiefs QB at No. 20 among NFL starters

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I don't think the 49ers defense is walking through that door. Smith has similar offensive weapons to what he had in San Fancisco (though I don't think KC has a pass catcher who presents the pass catching matchup problems that Vernon Davis does), but the D that carried Smith is not here.

I will not put the same stock in that Saints win that you do. The saints d was terrible, and smiths performance against it was average against that tea'm for the year.

His performance is a big part of why they lost the next game.

I can see 5-6 more wins this year. But even if they win 8 more, that's still likely nothing more than another empty playoff birth. Not worth the price.

Yea I can see how a guy playing the best football of his career leading the league in efficiency and YPA is getting carried by the defense.

Makes sense to me. That defense was completing the passes right?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yea I can see how a guy playing the best football of his career leading the league in efficiency and YPA is getting carried by the defense.

Makes sense to me. That defense was completing the passes right?

If you take away touchdowns scored by his defense/ST, during the regular season the past two years, Smith's offense scored 548 points by my count. Which comes out to just a shade under 23 PPG. That's good enough for 18th in the NFL in 2012 or 16th in 2011. Not bad, but very middle of the road and not the type of performance you'd expect to accompany a guy who is 19-4 as a starter in that timeframe.

Take away a couple of laugher/blowouts against craptastic teams in each year, and the PPG dip to less than 22.

A QB who is putting up mediocre offensive output yet still winning at that ratio is riding his defense.

And yes, his QB rating is shiny and so are his YPA. It's still impressive, but less so when you apply the context of who Alex Smith really is as a QB. Minimal pass attempts, taking no chances, scrambling early or checking down early instead of hanging in the pocket and throwing heavily off of play-action does wonders for efficiency and YPA.

He's better than Cassel and better than anything the Chiefs have had since Trent Green. But he's still a mediocre starting NFL QB.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

If you take away touchdowns scored by his defense/ST, during the regular season the past two years, Smith's offense scored 548 points by my count. Which comes out to just a shade under 23 PPG. That's good enough for 18th in the NFL in 2012 or 16th in 2011. Not bad, but very middle of the road and not the type of performance you'd expect to accompany a guy who is 19-4 as a starter in that timeframe.

Take away a couple of laugher/blowouts against craptastic teams in each year, and the PPG dip to less than 22.

A QB who is putting up mediocre offensive output yet still winning at that ratio is riding his defense.

And yes, his QB rating is shiny and so are his YPA. It's still impressive, but less so when you apply the context of who Alex Smith really is as a QB. Minimal pass attempts, taking no chances, scrambling early or checking down early instead of hanging in the pocket and throwing heavily off of play-action does wonders for efficiency and YPA.

He's better than Cassel and better than anything the Chiefs have had since Trent Green. But he's still a mediocre starting NFL QB.

Outstanding post. Rep.

EDIT: Or not. "You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Duncan Idaho again."

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Outstanding post. Rep.

EDIT: Or not. "You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Duncan Idaho again."

Agreed. While woe is us we aren't the only ones with this problem. There's only about five proven true franchise QBs in the league. We're not the only ones looking for one.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Agreed. While woe is us we aren't the only ones with this problem. There's only about five proven true franchise QBs in the league. We're not the only ones looking for one.

Right.

You need elite or near-elite QB play to have a realistic shot at playoff success. At least top half in the league. Top 10 or better is where the line really gets drawn, IMO.

Alex Smith never has been and probably will never be that QB (talking about true place in the game, not stats).

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

If you take away touchdowns scored by his defense/ST, during the regular season the past two years, Smith's offense scored 548 points by my count. Which comes out to just a shade under 23 PPG. That's good enough for 18th in the NFL in 2012 or 16th in 2011. Not bad, but very middle of the road and not the type of performance you'd expect to accompany a guy who is 19-4 as a starter in that timeframe.

Take away a couple of laugher/blowouts against craptastic teams in each year, and the PPG dip to less than 22.

A QB who is putting up mediocre offensive output yet still winning at that ratio is riding his defense.

And yes, his QB rating is shiny and so are his YPA. It's still impressive, but less so when you apply the context of who Alex Smith really is as a QB. Minimal pass attempts, taking no chances, scrambling early or checking down early instead of hanging in the pocket and throwing heavily off of play-action does wonders for efficiency and YPA.

He's better than Cassel and better than anything the Chiefs have had since Trent Green. But he's still a mediocre starting NFL QB.

Like I said this whole time, it's a top 3 defense that has to carry Alex Smith to success. It's not Alex Smith that has to have a good breakout year in a Chiefs uniform. It's the Chiefs defense that needs to play very, very well for any chance at a winning record this season.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

If you take away touchdowns scored by his defense/ST, during the regular season the past two years, Smith's offense scored 548 points by my count. Which comes out to just a shade under 23 PPG. That's good enough for 18th in the NFL in 2012 or 16th in 2011. Not bad, but very middle of the road and not the type of performance you'd expect to accompany a guy who is 19-4 as a starter in that timeframe.

Take away a couple of laugher/blowouts against craptastic teams in each year, and the PPG dip to less than 22.

A QB who is putting up mediocre offensive output yet still winning at that ratio is riding his defense.

And yes, his QB rating is shiny and so are his YPA. It's still impressive, but less so when you apply the context of who Alex Smith really is as a QB. Minimal pass attempts, taking no chances, scrambling early or checking down early instead of hanging in the pocket and throwing heavily off of play-action does wonders for efficiency and YPA.

He's better than Cassel and better than anything the Chiefs have had since Trent Green. But he's still a mediocre starting NFL QB.

Games are not played in a vacuum. The 49rs had a badass defense so they played to their strengths Harbough is a conservative type coach.

Smith did exactly what he was asked to do and that's all you can ask.

It will be interesting as Reid is obviously not conservative.

People continually act like there is only 1 way to build a SB team and that's only with an elite QB and that's simply not true. You need an above average QB.
I think we have one and I think they will draft and develop another one.

[ChiefGator]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Games are not played in a vacuum. The 49rs had a badass defense so they played to their strengths Harbough is a conservative type coach.

Smith did exactly what he was asked to do and that's all you can ask.

This, over and over.

Yeah, Smith had some bad years with bad coaches. But, he was able to be coached up by Harbaugh and play within Harbaugh's system. I think he has a chance to be the best QB we have had in a long time.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

I think he has a chance to be the best QB we have had in a long time.

At least 7 years!

Struck gold we did!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

If you take away touchdowns scored by his defense/ST, during the regular season the past two years, Smith's offense scored 548 points by my count. Which comes out to just a shade under 23 PPG. That's good enough for 18th in the NFL in 2012 or 16th in 2011. Not bad, but very middle of the road and not the type of performance you'd expect to accompany a guy who is 19-4 as a starter in that timeframe.

Take away a couple of laugher/blowouts against craptastic teams in each year, and the PPG dip to less than 22.

A QB who is putting up mediocre offensive output yet still winning at that ratio is riding his defense.

And yes, his QB rating is shiny and so are his YPA. It's still impressive, but less so when you apply the context of who Alex Smith really is as a QB. Minimal pass attempts, taking no chances, scrambling early or checking down early instead of hanging in the pocket and throwing heavily off of play-action does wonders for efficiency and YPA.

He's better than Cassel and better than anything the Chiefs have had since Trent Green. But he's still a mediocre starting NFL QB.

I'm sorry, but this is absolutely stupid when people do this. You have to do that for EVERYBODY if you are pulling that kind of cherry picking bullshit. You are taking stats away from his team, but not others, it's ridiculous. It's like when Chiefs stats don't count against certain teams, but we suck off any and everybody for doing the same damn thing.