Chiefs Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck. - Page 294

BigBeauford · 09-19-2013, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bshmerlie

I think Alex Smith has done a great job. This is a team sport. It always confuses me when people want their quarterback to carry the team. Smith has a cap friendly contract which allows the Chiefs to build a solid team around him. The Chiefs have a good chance at going to the playoffs this year because of Alex Smith. ....And if he does get to the playoffs....is that not carrying your team?

See also; Trent Dilfer, Rex Grossman

( only reg. season stats )

Dilfer had a 59% completion percentage... 1,500 yds.. 12 TD / 11 INT and a 76.6 passer rating in his SB winning year.

Grossman's only good season, he had a 54.6 % comp percentage... 3,193 yds.. 23 TD /20 INTs and a 73.9 passer rating.

Smith's last 2 yrs - 65.7 % (comp average) .... 4,881 yds .. 30 TDs / 10 INTs ... and a 97.4 (av) passer rating.

^^^^

Now compare those numbers to what Smith has been doing for the last 2 years...

You, sir... have colossally FAILED...

BigBeauford · 09-19-2013, 07:05 AM

I was particularly pointing out that just because they get to the playoffs, does not necessarily mean Smith carried them. Also, it would be more pertinent to use 1 year for Smith's stats since that is what you used for the other two.

Sandy Vagina · 09-19-2013, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford

I was particularly pointing out that just because they get to the playoffs, does not necessarily mean Smith carried them. Also, it would be more pertinent to use 1 year for Smith's stats since that is what you used for the other two.

The others didn't have any other years of topic-related worth.

There are many different ways a QB can "carry" his team. Sometimes, it can be found in the dazzling 400 yard games that so many get obsessed with. Other times, it can be from simply being efficient when you need to be, and minimizing turnovers. Other times, it is driving your team to regain a lead in the 4th quarter, when the game is on the line.

The stats show to me that, for the most part, Dilfer and Grossman were "carried by their team" to achieve their very brief success. Whereas, for the last 2 seasons, Alex has done far more in his role to be able to say that he was NOT "carried" by his team.

In other words, if over each of the last 2 seasons, Smith had these numbers?

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59% comp percentage... 1,500 yds.. 12 TD / 11 INT and a 76.6 passer rating in his SB winning year.

54.6 % comp percentage... 3,193 yds.. 23 TD /20 INTs and a 73.9 passer rating.

.. and the team success was very high? Yeah, the team carried him a good portion of the way. but alas... these are NOT the numbers for Smith in his 2 years of success.

BigCatDaddy · 09-19-2013, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

The others didn't have any other years of topic-related worth.

There are many different ways a QB can "carry" his team. Sometimes, it can be found in the dazzling 400 yard games that so many get obsessed with. Other times, it can be from simply being efficient when you need to be, and minimizing turnovers. Other times, it is driving your team to regain a lead in the 4th quarter, when the game is on the line.

The stats show to me that, for the most part, Dilfer and Grossman were "carried by their team" to achieve their very brief success. Whereas, for the last 2 seasons, Alex has done far more in his role to be able to say that he was NOT "carried" by his team.

In other words, if over each of the last 2 seasons, Smith had these numbers?

.. and the team success was very high? Yeah, the team carried him a good portion of the way. but alas... these are NOT the numbers for Smith in his 2 years of success.

Because the ability to move the football is sooooooooo overrated

Carlota69 · 09-19-2013, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford

I was particularly pointing out that just because they get to the playoffs, does not necessarily mean Smith carried them. Also, it would be more pertinent to use 1 year for Smith's stats since that is what you used for the other two.

Then if the team doesn't get to the playoffs, it isn't necessarily his fault either?
Some people, I'm not saying you, want to blame him for team failures, but won't give him credit for team successes.

Sandy Vagina · 09-19-2013, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Because the ability to move the football is sooooooooo overrated

Well, see.. this is my point that you are strengthening.

KC is ranked 12th right now in offensive efficiency... and that is including the reality that Smith is averaging 198 yds per game... Jamaal Charles is averaging a mere 66 yds per game on the ground... and that KC is in the top 10 for dropped passes... and our D is stopping opponents to a 9 pts per game average... so how often has Alex needed to pitch the ball up for big yardage?

BigBeauford · 09-19-2013, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69

Then if the team doesn't get to the playoffs, it isn't necessarily his fault either?
Some people, I'm not saying you, want to blame him for team failures, but won't give him credit for team successes.

I think the whole thing got out of hand. I was referring to the post that said if they make the playoffs, then he was carrying the team. I was just pointing out that the poster left out all other variables, and I was simply stating two shitty QB's who made it through the playoffs based on the team around them. I wasn't actually trying to start another Alex Smith debate.

BigCatDaddy · 09-19-2013, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Well, see.. this is my point that you are strengthening.

KC is ranked 12th right now in offensive efficiency... and that is including the reality that Smith is averaging 198 yds per game... Jamaal Charles is averaging a mere 66 yds per game on the ground... and that KC is in the top 10 for dropped passes... and our D is stopping opponents to a 9 pts per game average... so how often has Alex needed to pitch the ball up for big yardage?

None yet which is why I've said numerous times that when the D faulters or ST gives up a TD or we have a few TO's THAT is when we will know more about Alice as a Chief. I've pointed out the 9ers gave up >24 points or more 4 times in the reg season last year so it's going to happen to the Chiefs as well for whatever reasons. It's what he does in those games that really matter and where a QB earns his paycheck.

If we are holding teams to 2 points than yeah play it close to the vest don't turn it over and cruise to an easy win.

Sandy Vagina · 09-19-2013, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

It's what he does in those games that really matter and where a QB earns his paycheck.
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Oh yes... the other games couldn't possibly matter.

**Bearcat** · 09-19-2013, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

None yet which is why I've said numerous times that when the D faulters or ST gives up a TD or we have a few TO's THAT is when we will know more about Alice as a Chief. I've pointed out the 9ers gave up >24 points or more 4 times in the reg season last year so it's going to happen to the Chiefs as well for whatever reasons. It's what he does in those games that really matter and where a QB earns his paycheck.

If we are holding teams to 2 points than yeah play it close to the vest don't turn it over and cruise to an easy win.

Yep, tonight and next Sunday are the real tests for this month. Of course, at this point of the season I'm not expecting them to win a shootout, but I would like to see some aggressive play calling, especially if it's pretty clear early that they'll need to put up some points.... and especially tonight, against a team that's giving up so many passing yards. On the flip side, we'll also find out what the defense is really made of.... can't remember the last time I was looking forward to the Chiefs taking on a couple of favored teams.

BigCatDaddy · 09-19-2013, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Oh yes... the other games couldn't possibly matter.

Sounds like you don't have much confidence if he is going to have to put some points up. Me neither.

Sandy Vagina · 09-19-2013, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Sounds like you don't have much confidence if he is going to have to put some points up. Me neither.

No idea, man. I think he is capable, if the nuances of the game force his hand. Alex does have a decent 47% completion percentage on his deep throws. I sure wish he had a Calvin Johnson/Mike Wallace target to feel more comfortable going deep to. Maybe Avery will suffice... maybe Bowe can win some jump balls.

I have always wanted to see Smith make a handful or so of deep post or fly throws. As per usual, his pass protection and game circumstances tend to keep those attempts down. Maybe it IS part of his unwillingness too... but again, the combination of poor pass pro + underwhelming deep threats + lack of deep shots can't be dismissed. They have surrounded Alex for years now.

Carlota69 · 09-19-2013, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford

I think the whole thing got out of hand. I was referring to the post that said if they make the playoffs, then he was carrying the team. I was just pointing out that the poster left out all other variables, and I was simply stating two shitty QB's who made it through the playoffs based on the team around them. I wasn't actually trying to start another Alex Smith debate.

Lol, fair enough. So many points get get out hand around here...

**Bearcat** · 09-19-2013, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Oh yes... the other games couldn't possibly matter.

It matters that he doesn't piss down his leg and screw it up and of course he still need to show up and be competent... but, in the big picture, talking about what's required to win in the playoffs, being efficient against teams like Jacksonville and Dallas doesn't really mean anything. That's why that 21-5 stat (or whatever) is kind of pointless when looking at needs to be done to win hardware... you could have plugged in at least half the starting quarterbacks in the league on that team and they would have put up that kind of record.

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