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Old 08-12-2018, 10:58 AM  
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Another Intense Police Shootout
2017- Just released after the suspect was convicted of 2 counts of attempted murder. Trooper Ryan Seiple made a traffic stop on the suspect for speeding at 82 MPH, then initiated a sobriety check. Corporal Seth Kelly was shot 4 times and was clinically dead, before being brought back to life at the hospital.

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Prosecutors said the video depicted the two troopers acting professionally and with restraint during a speeding stop Nov. 7 that unexpectedly turned violent. Defense attorney Janet Jackson unsuccessfully argued self-defense, describing Clary as a scared young man who was getting his first speeding ticket, then was surprised when police moved to handcuff him.

The video showed Seiple hand Clary a ticket and begin to drive away, before the motorist motioned for him to come back. As he talked more with Clary, Seiple became suspicious of whether he was driving impaired, leading to field sobriety tests and Kelly’s arrival at the scene on the side of the highway.

It was when troopers tried to arrest Clary on suspicion of driving under the influence of marijuana that chaos erupted.

A melee between Clary and the troopers lasted one minute and six seconds. The gun battle that followed, just 41 seconds.

Before he ran to his car, grabbed a gun and opened fire, Clary and the troopers grappled on the ground, Clary trying to grab their service handguns and continuing to struggle even after he was repeatedly shocked with stun guns.

The video showed Clary grabbing the handle of Kelly’s holstered gun early in the struggle, before the troopers used their Tasers or punched him.

Clary tried to grab both troopers’ pistols, and succeeded in dislodging the ammunition magazine of Seiple’s. A spare firearm of Kelly’s fell to the ground at one point, which Seiple later picked up, disarmed and threw to the side.

Seiple used his Taser on Clary twice and punched him five times, according to trial testimony. Kelly tasered Clary five times, threw nine punches and kneed him once.

According to a state police expert who examined the video frame-by-frame, Clary and Seiple shot at each other simultaneously, as Clary pointed a handgun at police.

Clary fired all six of his gun’s bullets, Kelly fired 21 rounds and Seiple fired 20 rounds.

Clary, 22, of Chestnuthill Township, was wounded in the gunfight, driving himself to Easton Hospital with injuries that included a bullet lodged in his head.

Clary could face decades in prison when he is sentenced Aug. 31 by Baratta.
http://www.mcall.com/news/police/mc-...706-story.html
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Old 08-12-2018, 07:30 PM   #61
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that's heat of the moment and adrenaline raging through your viens.

No excuse, he has training to subdue him and he panicked
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Old 08-12-2018, 07:30 PM   #62
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IMO, the bigger cop should have put the cuffs on.

Even after he's been tazed and dragged back behind the car., he still defers to the smaller officer, or is that protocol, it was his arrest?

Anywho, he obviously couldn't handle this guy one on one.

...just goes to show how bad things can escalate in under two short minutes.

Glad the cop who took four shots survived.

Stay safe out there.
No, I think what you are seeing is Corporal Kelly keeping the taser going while Trooper Seiple attempts to place him in handcuffs. That is pretty standard, one to run the taser and the other to make the physical apprehension. It wasn't until the taser was out of the question (wires probably broke) that they started attempting physical control together
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Old 08-12-2018, 07:31 PM   #63
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One cop was on the guys back, and a RNC would have put him out.

One of the black belts at my BJJ gym is LAPD, and I promise that dude would be unconscious before it escalated. It’s just an incredibly valuable skill set for law enforcement.
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Old 08-12-2018, 07:32 PM   #64
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One cop was on the guys back, and a RNC would have put him out.

One of the black belts at my BJJ gym is LAPD, and I promise that dude would be unconscious before it escalated. It’s just an incredibly valuable skill set for law enforcement.
RNC holds are pretty unanimously frowned upon by LE. I think LAPD is the only agency that still teaches it.
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Old 08-12-2018, 07:34 PM   #65
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No, I think what you are seeing is Corporal Kelly keeping the taser going while Trooper Seiple attempts to place him in handcuffs. That is pretty standard, one to run the taser and the other to make the physical apprehension. It wasn't until the taser was out of the question (wires probably broke) that they started attempting physical control together
ah, thanks.

I also think that LEO can't help but be cautious, in trying to do things by the book and not be aggressive, and sometimes that can't bite them in the behind.

It's easy to talk about it after the fact, but dang, things are moving so quickly...

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Old 08-12-2018, 07:53 PM   #66
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That the asshole didn't get away.
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Was the perpetrator ever apprehended?
Yeah. Cop got one in him and he went to the hospital.
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IMO, the bigger cop should have put the cuffs on.

Even after he's been tazed and dragged back behind the car., he still defers to the smaller officer, or is that protocol, it was his arrest?

Anywho, he obviously couldn't handle this guy one on one.

...just goes to show how bad things can escalate in under two short minutes.

Glad the cop who took four shots survived.

Stay safe out there.

All of this.
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Old 08-12-2018, 08:29 PM   #69
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Wow, so both officers were hit correct? One 4 times?

So the guy who was drunk, got tapered multiple times by the look of it, punched many times, then got up and fired 6 times connecting on at least 5.

And the trained officers fired 41 times connecting once?

Doesn't compute to me
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Tased 7 times punched 14 kneed once.

Landed 5 of 6 shots.

Officers connected on one of 41.

I just can't wrap my head around that.
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Tased 7 times punched 14 kneed once.

Landed 5 of 6 shots.

Officers connected on one of 41.

I just can't wrap my head around that.


Barney Fife type police work.
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He drove himself to the hospital with GSW injuries where he was arrested.
The Golden State Warriors worked him over before he was pulled over by police? No wonder he was upset.
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Well my first impression was one thing they did wrong was keep telling the guy to get on his back when they meant stomach. But that’s easy to do under that kind of stress. However after watching a breakdown of the video by Gracie Jiu-Jitsu experts they made a very valid point. We in LE rush to put people on their stomachs to handcuff them. But that allows a table platform to occur if they are combative (knees and hands). That allows for a strong fighting base. While it wasn’t their fault (that’s gow we have all been trained) it’s definitely food for thought.

The second was the flagging of Corporal Kelly by Trooper Seiple at the drivers rear of the suspect vehicle. Could have ended up much worse (blue on blue) but thankfully that was avoided.
I would take the opponent have the table platform 'advantage' over being able to reach up and grab for a weapon, poke an eyeball, throw a throat punch, or whatever with full view of everything around him.

Two thoughts:

1. Anytime it's 2 on 1 one of the guys should be trying to immobilize/isolate the legs at the ankles.
2. The larger trooper looks like he hesitated to draw his weapon when the perp got up, went around the front and started to reach in the window.

Certainly not judging. Just the two things that jumped out at me from the video. That was intense.
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Tased 7 times punched 14 kneed once.

Landed 5 of 6 shots.

Officers connected on one of 41.

I just can't wrap my head around that.
While they don't specifically say I'm fairly certain they landed more than one. The article just mentioned he has one round in his head.

And he wasn't drunk he was high on marijuana
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While they don't specifically say I'm fairly certain they landed more than one. The article just mentioned he has one round in his head.

And he wasn't drunk he was high on marijuana
Still. Not good numbers.

Think of how many innocent people driving by they could have killed.

That's a terrible position to be in. You have to shoot though.

Damn
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