***OFFICIAL "The Drafturbators and Friends FF League***

**The Franchise** · 10:11 AM

Draft Date and Time: Wednesday, September 7th at 9:00 PM EST

Teams:

OTW58 - 40 Pound Box of Rape
Pestilence - Bukkake Tsunami
DJ's Left Nut - Operation Dicksledge
Mr. Flopnuts - Tebow's Foreskin Moccasins
Sofa King - SeniAL Davis
Hootie - Team Damon Huard
Chiefs Country - Haley Benders
Nzoner - TD's and Beer
DaKCMan AP - DaKCMan AP is Awesome

Sofa King · 08-17-2011, 03:11 PM

DJ's left nut · 08-17-2011, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofa King

Yeah, I'd hit it.

Sofa King · 08-18-2011, 07:30 AM

Just reminding everyone that i've got this league chalked up as a 1st place for me.

**RealSNR** · 08-18-2011, 08:28 AM

My Fantasy Football team made great strides last year, and I'm confident in my kickass abilities to assemble a puppy-raping team.

But that schedule. It's just too tough. There are 5 games at the end there where it's murderous.

Prepare to be overly fearful for nothing when you encounter My Team Needs Another Year. Because if you let us, we will beat you.

ModSocks · 08-19-2011, 05:19 PM

I'm drafting nothing but QB's. **** yeah! It's called innovation bitches.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 08-20-2011, 05:52 AM

Tebow's Foreskin Moccasins are gonna **** you up Dawg.

Direckshun · 08-20-2011, 02:13 PM

Thanks for the invite.

**Nzoner** · 08-21-2011, 02:57 PM

I'd gladly pay a fine for an endzone celebration in that....

TD'S-N-BEER!

Sofa King · 08-22-2011, 08:56 AM

I'm drafting nothing but speed. Pure, untalented, no hands speed. Heyward-Bey is as good as mine unless one of you assholes takes him in the top 6.

Hootie · 08-22-2011, 11:48 AM

posted this in a thread on the league board:

I won't chirp on this too much, but I do think 1 QB leagues totally devalue the position.

I think the RB/WR spot should be an OP spot (QB, RB, WR, or TE) so teams can start 2 QB's if they so choose.

1 QB leagues make spot starting Matt Cassel acceptable and not drafting a premiere QB good strategy...

I don't understand why people like to start 2010 Willis McGahee praying he'll get a touchdown (because they have no choice otherwise) while Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan are on someone's bench...

I used to love traditional FFL but being a passing league now (more so than when this shot got popular 15 years ago), the game has evolved...12 teams X potential to start 24 QB's (rather than 12) makes things a whole hell of a lot more strategic/competitive/entertaining...

(but all of my other leagues are ran this way so if you guys are against it I won't complain - though I do think you should try out an OP position league one time and I doubt you'd ever want to play a different setting)

Hootie · 08-22-2011, 11:54 AM

all I'm saying it...

a real NFL team starts 1 QB, 1 RB and 2 WR's...

in this league, we have to start at least 24 RB's and 24 WR's...

and then we have to start another combination of 12 RB's or WR's...

yet we only start 12 QB's?

that just doesn't make sense to me...why wouldn't we even it out and start 12 QB's, 24 RB's, 24 WR's and then a combination of 12 more QB's, RB's, WR's or TE's...

doesn't that make more sense?

I just don't like FFL where Joe Flacco, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Kevin Kolb, Jay Cutler, Matt Cassel, Mark Sanchez, Colt McCoy, Donovan McNabb, Cam Newton, Kyle Orton, David Garrard, Matt Hasselbeck, Jason Campbell, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Chad Henne, Alex Smith, Tavaris Jackson, etc. etc. etc. don't even have to be thought of because you only have to start 1 QB.

Hootie · 08-22-2011, 11:57 AM

the ability to start 2 QB's (if you desire) makes everything so much more strategic...

do you play Felix Jones as your flex if he has a good matchup, or do you play it safe and go with Matt Cassel?

etc. etc. etc.

so many more options, so much more strategy, and a much more unpredictable draft...

the way the league is set up now...

there is no other choice then following this: http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/livedra...s?position=ALL

and hoping to hit on some sleepers...

Standard has been studied too much and is way too easy now...OP leagues (where you can start 2 QB's) is what FFL is now...and where it'll be in a few years once everyone realizes the game has evolved.

**RealSNR** · 08-22-2011, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

the ability to start 2 QB's (if you desire) makes everything so much more strategic...

do you play Felix Jones as your flex if he has a good matchup, or do you play it safe and go with Matt Cassel?

etc. etc. etc.

so many more options, so much more strategy, and a much more unpredictable draft...

the way the league is set up now...

there is no other choice then following this: http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/livedra...s?position=ALL

and hoping to hit on some sleepers...

Standard has been studied too much and is way too easy now...OP leagues (where you can start 2 QB's) is what FFL is now...and where it'll be in a few years once everyone realizes the game has evolved.

QBs are by far the biggest point scorers. Their production has nothing to do with coaches who limit carries/targets. They're also far less likely to get injured.

Lower-round QBs might be undervalued, but I'm fine with that. I'd much rather see keen fantasy strategy being devoted to finding sleepers at RB, WR, and even TE rather than QB. It's too damn easy to pick a 2nd QB out of one's asshole.

DJ's left nut · 08-22-2011, 12:20 PM

Auction leagues are the next era of FFL, IMO.

It will be exceedingly rare that it's ever a good idea to start a WR/RB over a 2nd QB if that's an available option. It doesn't add a lot more strategy, IMO, it just adds another 'must have' style player. At that point, the 2nd QB becomes similar to the 3rd RB to play at the flex spots in the olden days. If you tried to plug a WR in at flex, you may get lucky for a week or 2, but the guys that plugged in an RB there came out well ahead. It would be the same situation here - everyone would be in a scramble to get the best 'flex' QB. I'm not sure you've improved the league, just changed its character.

In a 12 man league, it's absolutely possible to get left holding the bag at QB. If you really want to face an opponent that's throwing Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers while you're left choosing between Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco as your signal caller - more power to you. The QB position goes a legit 9 deep with 3 or 4 'wildcard' QBs that may go off this season. If you're stuck without one, you're boned.

Adding a 2nd QB seems like an attempt to make the league artificially deep - you're essentially trying to make a 24 team league out of a 12-man, at least as it relates to the QB position.

If you want to add strategy, create it as an auction league with a nominal FAAB. Give everyone a short bench and limit weekly roster moves and you'll see plenty of strategy.

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08-17-2011, 03:11 PM	#2
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Sofa King Hello Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Dakota Casino cash: $1032096 VARSITY	Just reminding everyone that i've got this league chalked up as a 1st place for me.
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08-19-2011, 05:19 PM	#6
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08-22-2011, 08:56 AM	#10
Sofa King Hello Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Dakota Casino cash: $1032096 VARSITY	I'm drafting nothing but speed. Pure, untalented, no hands speed. Heyward-Bey is as good as mine unless one of you assholes takes him in the top 6.
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08-22-2011, 11:48 AM	#11
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	posted this in a thread on the league board: I won't chirp on this too much, but I do think 1 QB leagues totally devalue the position. I think the RB/WR spot should be an OP spot (QB, RB, WR, or TE) so teams can start 2 QB's if they so choose. 1 QB leagues make spot starting Matt Cassel acceptable and not drafting a premiere QB good strategy... I don't understand why people like to start 2010 Willis McGahee praying he'll get a touchdown (because they have no choice otherwise) while Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan are on someone's bench... I used to love traditional FFL but being a passing league now (more so than when this shot got popular 15 years ago), the game has evolved...12 teams X potential to start 24 QB's (rather than 12) makes things a whole hell of a lot more strategic/competitive/entertaining... (but all of my other leagues are ran this way so if you guys are against it I won't complain - though I do think you should try out an OP position league one time and I doubt you'd ever want to play a different setting)
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08-22-2011, 11:54 AM	#12
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	all I'm saying it... a real NFL team starts 1 QB, 1 RB and 2 WR's... in this league, we have to start at least 24 RB's and 24 WR's... and then we have to start another combination of 12 RB's or WR's... yet we only start 12 QB's? that just doesn't make sense to me...why wouldn't we even it out and start 12 QB's, 24 RB's, 24 WR's and then a combination of 12 more QB's, RB's, WR's or TE's... doesn't that make more sense? I just don't like FFL where Joe Flacco, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Kevin Kolb, Jay Cutler, Matt Cassel, Mark Sanchez, Colt McCoy, Donovan McNabb, Cam Newton, Kyle Orton, David Garrard, Matt Hasselbeck, Jason Campbell, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Chad Henne, Alex Smith, Tavaris Jackson, etc. etc. etc. don't even have to be thought of because you only have to start 1 QB.
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08-22-2011, 11:57 AM	#13
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	the ability to start 2 QB's (if you desire) makes everything so much more strategic... do you play Felix Jones as your flex if he has a good matchup, or do you play it safe and go with Matt Cassel? etc. etc. etc. so many more options, so much more strategy, and a much more unpredictable draft... the way the league is set up now... there is no other choice then following this: http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/livedra...s?position=ALL and hoping to hit on some sleepers... Standard has been studied too much and is way too easy now...OP leagues (where you can start 2 QB's) is what FFL is now...and where it'll be in a few years once everyone realizes the game has evolved.
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08-22-2011, 12:20 PM	#15
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2959099	Auction leagues are the next era of FFL, IMO. It will be exceedingly rare that it's ever a good idea to start a WR/RB over a 2nd QB if that's an available option. It doesn't add a lot more strategy, IMO, it just adds another 'must have' style player. At that point, the 2nd QB becomes similar to the 3rd RB to play at the flex spots in the olden days. If you tried to plug a WR in at flex, you may get lucky for a week or 2, but the guys that plugged in an RB there came out well ahead. It would be the same situation here - everyone would be in a scramble to get the best 'flex' QB. I'm not sure you've improved the league, just changed its character. In a 12 man league, it's absolutely possible to get left holding the bag at QB. If you really want to face an opponent that's throwing Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers while you're left choosing between Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco as your signal caller - more power to you. The QB position goes a legit 9 deep with 3 or 4 'wildcard' QBs that may go off this season. If you're stuck without one, you're boned. Adding a 2nd QB seems like an attempt to make the league artificially deep - you're essentially trying to make a 24 team league out of a 12-man, at least as it relates to the QB position. If you want to add strategy, create it as an auction league with a nominal FAAB. Give everyone a short bench and limit weekly roster moves and you'll see plenty of strategy. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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