Redskin trade for the number 2 pick Goodbye RGIII

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Major scoopage: Redskins have agreed to a trade w Rams for #2 pick of draft. Rams and Skins swap (cont) http://tl.gd/gbhvr8



Major scoopage: Redskins have agreed to a trade w Rams for #2 pick of draft. Rams and Skins swap first rounders this yr w Rams also getting 2 future #1s and additional picks. Story coming on fox sports dot com




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Washington Redskins traded three first-round draft picks and a second-round pick to St. Louis for second overall pick … http://say.ly/frx1yvb

[Dr. Gigglepants]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

JFC, you can't be serious?

How many downs has he ****ing played yet?

And how many pro bowls and all pros has Jones been to?

Oh yeah none.

Keep em coming.

I was just trying to think of the most recent example of a major trade. It doesn't apply perfectly but it's a little early to judge since he was just a rookie.

Obviously RGIII hasn't played a down yet, so I don't know how you're so sure that he's a bust already, anyway, two 1sts and a 2nd is nothing for a potential decade of elite QB play.

[CanadaKC]

What really irks me is how the media says the Skins gave up THREE 1st round picks for RGIII. No!!! The Skins and the Rams SWAPPED 1st round picks this year...so the Skins still have their 1st rounder for 2012. They gave up their next 2 first rounders in 2013 and 2014...so it's really only 2...plus a 2nd round pick. The media just loves to gloss that over for the dramatic effect.

[Okie_Apparition]

1st year people will swoon
2nd year it will be just a sophomore slump
3rd year he's just a game manager

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by CanadaKC

What really irks me is how the media says the Skins gave up THREE 1st round picks for RGIII. No!!! The Skins and the Rams SWAPPED 1st round picks this year...so the Skins still have their 1st rounder for 2012. They gave up their next 2 first rounders in 2013 and 2014...so it's really only 2...plus a 2nd round pick. The media just loves to gloss that over for the dramatic effect.

JFC I just went through this.

They DID give up three firsts.

Do they still have their #6 overall or not? No. So could they have given up the other two firsts and the 2nd and still made the deal?

No.

So it took THREE FIRSTS to made the trade happen.

I was just trying to think of the most recent example of a major trade. It doesn't apply perfectly but it's a little early to judge since he was just a rookie.

Obviously RGIII hasn't played a down yet, so I don't know how you're so sure that he's a bust already, anyway, two 1sts and a 2nd is nothing for a potential decade of elite QB play.

It's nothing if the guy is already PROVEN and like 25 years old.

It's like you guys don't get it. These big huge trades don't work. If they did, people would do them more often. The skins have egg on their face by everyone in this deal for a reason.

[CanadaKC]

they swapped the 6th pick for the 2nd pick to get RGIII. That number 2 pick still counts as a 1st rounder. they lost the 6th..but gained the 2nd...no?

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by CanadaKC

they swapped the 6th pick for the 2nd pick to get RGIII. That number 2 pick still counts as a 1st rounder. they lost the 6th..but gained the 2nd...no?

This is real simple. PLease follow.

The Redskins threw down the gauntlet Friday night when they sent the Rams three first-rounders (the sixth-overall pick in 2012, and one each in '13 and '14), a 2012 second-rounder, as well as additional picks in exchange for the second-overall selection in April's draft.

That means you can't get #2 with giving up #6, 2 other firsts, and a second, and additional picks. It's not a "swap of picks" because the Rams just wanted to trade down. In instances yes, it's a swap. This is not. It's a package deal.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by CanadaKC

they swapped the 6th pick for the 2nd pick to get RGIII. That number 2 pick still counts as a 1st rounder. they lost the 6th..but gained the 2nd...no?

Yes, you are correct. They swapped picks this year with the Skins getting the better part of the deal this year.

[Dr. Gigglepants]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

JFC I just went through this.

It's nothing if the guy is already PROVEN and like 25 years old.

It's like you guys don't get it. These big huge trades don't work. If they did, people would do them more often. The skins have egg on their face by everyone in this deal for a reason.

Most teams with elite franchise QB's tend to hold on to them for the entirety of their elite level playing days. I don't see the Packers giving us #12 for two 1sts and a 2nd.

[Dr. Gigglepants]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

These big huge trades don't work. If they did, people would do them more often.

Also a lot of times the team that is in position to trade down actually needs the player, see Cam last year and the Panthers. See the Colts this year with Luck. It just so happens that this year there are 2 elite QB's available and the 2nd pick is a team that doesn't really need a rookie QB right now.

[CanadaKC]

technically..we are both correct. I personally would only say the skins gave up 3 1st rounders if they were not drafting in the 1st round at all. Yes they gave up the pick...but they will have RGIII at #2. They could give a rats aSSSS about the 6th pick at that point. It's throwing in the 2 other 1st rounders that make the media spluge....but saying its 3.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Yes, you are correct. They swapped picks this year with the Skins getting the better part of the deal this year.

It's like you guys missed school.

"Trade you my baloney sammich for your PBnJ,"

"nope"

"How about my sammich with my banana?"

"nope"

"How about my sammich, banana, and bag of oreos?"

"nope"

"I'll throw in the coke too."

"ok deal."

Did he JUST swap sammiches?

thanks for playing dumasses.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

This is real simple. PLease follow.

The Redskins threw down the gauntlet Friday night when they sent the Rams three first-rounders (the sixth-overall pick in 2012, and one each in '13 and '14), a 2012 second-rounder, as well as additional picks in exchange for the second-overall selection in April's draft.

That means you can't get #2 with giving up #6, 2 other firsts, and a second, and additional picks. It's not a "swap of picks" because the Rams just wanted to trade down. In instances yes, it's a swap. This is not. It's a package deal.

I'm not really following where there's confusion. The Redskins are essentially trading Trent Richardson or Justin Blackmon for RGIII. And the compensation for that trade is a 2nd and 2 firsts. We don't know the value of those 2 first rounders. Given where the Redskins are, it will probably be two top 10 picks. In that regard, it might be a hefty price tag.

That's a hefty compensation. But it's different with a draft pick that high because: 1) elite QBs don't enter free agency unless they're old or damaged goods; 2) You get the opportunity to develop a QB for 10+ years if he pans out. You can't use standard price tags when talking about QBs because apart from the draft, it is extremely difficult to find a franchise QB who can help you compete in the long-term.

[milkman]

I have to agree, to an extent, with The Guardian.

For the Redskins, given their lack of talent and their inability at this point to bring in free agents that can help to alleviate the growing process for RGIII, this might well turn out poorly.

Rookie QB's confidence can be damaged if they have no support, and some never recover.

Jim Plunket was one of the best college QBs I ever saw, and his upside was equal to that of Luck's, but he busted hard, because he went to a terrible team, and it took him 10 years to recover.

[R8RFAN]

Originally Posted by Brock

A swap of first round picks isn't losing a first round pick. Are you bad at math?

Why is it so hard for them to get it Brock? I argued this shit last night to the point where I thought they were just ****ing with me

[R8RFAN]

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