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[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Hosmer for Shields and Archer would be a decent deal.

Really though, if the Royals are going to deal Hosmer, I would think they could get Hellickson for him.

Hosmer for Hellickson and Archer would be a really nice deal for the Royals and it would be a pretty smart move for the Rays as well.

I could stomach Hosmer for Hellickson and Archer. Hosmer for Hellickson straight-up would be tough to take.

I'm not a huge believer in Hellickson's ability to outpitch his peripherals long-term.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I could stomach Hosmer for Hellickson and Archer. Hosmer for Hellickson straight-up would be tough to take.

I'm not a huge believer in Hellickson's ability to outpitch his peripherals long-term.

You have to trust his stuff over his peripherals.

I had a long-ass post on this very thing in the other Royals thread when you were asking what tradeable assets the Royals had...before a crybaby **** of a mod banned me and I couldn't get it posted. The exact proposal was Hosmer for Hellickson and Archer.

My position was that Hosmer has 2 years of service time and is a Borass client. Hellickson has 2 years as well. Borass won't allow his client to extend in KC before his FA period, so you're looking at having to shop him in 2 or 3 seasons anyway.

I know it sucks to have to view the world that way, but I like Myers and Moose's upside more and those are guys the Royals will have to throw a bunch of money at to extend. Can they do that AND sign Hosmer out of the FA market? It sure seems unlikely.

So why not deal him for a power-armed starter that's proven to be durable and has definite #2 starter stuff.

You argue that Hellickson outpitches his peripherals when I think there's a sound argument to be made that Hellickson's peripherals simply don't match his ability. He should be as good as his ERA indicates. His stuff absolutely allows for that. With some adjustments in his approach and refinement to his breaking stuff, he has ace-caliber upside. Better still, he has youth on his side and plenty of time to reach that upside still.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You have to trust his stuff over his peripherals.

I had a long-ass post on this very thing in the other Royals thread when you were asking what tradeable assets the Royals had...before a crybaby **** of a mod banned me and I couldn't get it posted. The exact proposal was Hosmer for Hellickson and Archer.

My position was that Hosmer has 2 years of service time and is a Borass client. Hellickson has 2 years as well. Borass won't allow his client to extend in KC before his FA period, so you're looking at having to shop him in 2 or 3 seasons anyway.

I know it sucks to have to view the world that way, but I like Myers and Moose's upside more and those are guys the Royals will have to throw a bunch of money at to extend. Can they do that AND sign Hosmer out of the FA market? It sure seems unlikely.

So why not deal him for a power-armed starter that's proven to be durable and has definite #2 starter stuff.

You argue that Hellickson outpitches his peripherals when I think there's a sound argument to be made that Hellickson's peripherals simply don't match his ability. He should be as good as his ERA indicates. His stuff absolutely allows for that. With some adjustments in his approach and refinement to his breaking stuff, he has ace-caliber upside. Better still, he has youth on his side and plenty of time to reach that upside still.

I missed that. Hellickson/Archer is a nice pairing.

Hosmer actually has 5 years of service time left, though. Which adds a bit to his value, especially for a team like the A's.

I was a HUGE Hellickson fan for a long time. In fact, during Greinke trade proposals, he was my favorite primary pitching return (Jordan Zimmermann in Washington a close second).

I'm just terrified he's a white version of Jair Jurrjens.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I missed that. Hellickson/Archer is a nice pairing.

Hosmer actually has 5 years of service time left, though. Which adds a bit to his value, especially for a team like the A's.

I was a HUGE Hellickson fan for a long time. In fact, during Greinke trade proposals, he was my favorite primary pitching return (Jordan Zimmermann in Washington a close second).

I'm just terrified he's a white version of Jair Jurrjens.

Jair Jurrjens couldn't bring Hell-Boy's heat.

And at this point the Royals may just have to worry about Eric Hosmer being a white version of Ken Harvey.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Jair Jurrjens couldn't bring Hell-Boy's heat.

And at this point the Royals may just have to worry about Eric Hosmer being a white version of Ken Harvey.

Ha. Rep.

Serious possible comp for Hosmer, though: Casey Kotchman. Similar profiles (heck, they both were even hard-throwing HS pitchers). Kotchman's power never transferred to game.

The other end of the spectrum, I think, is Justin Morneau pre-injury. High average, good power, etc.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Ha. Rep.

Serious possible comp for Hosmer, though: Casey Kotchman. Similar profiles (heck, they both were even hard-throwing HS pitchers). Kotchman's power never transferred to game.

The other end of the spectrum, I think, is Justin Morneau pre-injury. High average, good power, etc.

I swear to you...SWEAR to you, that I did not do this in advance.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...arveke01.shtml

Look at his #1 most comparable hitter.

No shit. If that doesn't worry you, nothing should.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I swear to you...SWEAR to you, that I did not do this in advance.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...arveke01.shtml

Look at his #1 most comparable hitter.

No shit. If that doesn't worry you, nothing should.

Meh, Hosmer's 2011 was better than anything Harvey did. Hos was a ML regular at 21, Harvey at 25. Etc.

It just depends on which Hosmer you think is the true Hos: 2011 or 2012. It's distressing that he backslid so much his second year, but I'm less concerned than if 2012 were his rookie year. I still think he can bounce back and hit .300 with 25-30 homers.

I'd rather have him at 1B, Moose at 3B, Butler at DH, Gordon in LF and Myers in RF, but I also understand the price for quality, cost-controlled SP.

I just hope that DM chooses the right guy to trade, and trades him for the right guy. DM getting both ends right scares the shit out of me.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You have to trust his stuff over his peripherals.

I had a long-ass post on this very thing in the other Royals thread when you were asking what tradeable assets the Royals had...before a crybaby **** of a mod banned me and I couldn't get it posted. The exact proposal was Hosmer for Hellickson and Archer.

My position was that Hosmer has 2 years of service time and is a Borass client. Hellickson has 2 years as well. Borass won't allow his client to extend in KC before his FA period, so you're looking at having to shop him in 2 or 3 seasons anyway.

I know it sucks to have to view the world that way, but I like Myers and Moose's upside more and those are guys the Royals will have to throw a bunch of money at to extend. Can they do that AND sign Hosmer out of the FA market? It sure seems unlikely.

So why not deal him for a power-armed starter that's proven to be durable and has definite #2 starter stuff.

You argue that Hellickson outpitches his peripherals when I think there's a sound argument to be made that Hellickson's peripherals simply don't match his ability. He should be as good as his ERA indicates. His stuff absolutely allows for that. With some adjustments in his approach and refinement to his breaking stuff, he has ace-caliber upside. Better still, he has youth on his side and plenty of time to reach that upside still.

Who banned you and why?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Saul Too

Who banned you and why?

I dunno who, the why is because he's a bleeding vag.

I 'bypassed the profanity filter' when I posted the Jackie Chan shrugging picture that said "what the **** is this?" Some noob said something nonsensical in the 'new' gas price thread.

I disabled my profanity filter; it never even crossed my mind. People type '****', I see it. Frankly, I'm not at all convinced I haven't seen that image used several times (that's why I went looking for it).

I was quite a bit pissed, to tell you the truth. I'm not a shit disturber and I didn't get so much as a warning. I was literally typing a post when the ban order went in and when I hit submit it told me I was banned.

Like I said in the FFB thread - this is a board that makes light of children being eaten by dogs, wishes AIDS on people and has an entire thread dedicated to the MS Paint modifications of hardcore porn. I think we ought use a little discretion in decided when to boot someone. Afterall, I can post this:

Spoiler!

With no repercussions but if I post a picture that says '****' in it, I get banned...because evidently '****' is going to get you in trouble with your boss whereas a 19 yr old dancing in her underwear won't.

Whatever, some mods are just jackasses, the end.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I dunno who, the why is because he's a bleeding vag.

I 'bypassed the profanity filter' when I posted the Jackie Chan shrugging picture that said "what the **** is this?" Some noob said something nonsensical in the 'new' gas price thread.

I disabled my profanity filter; it never even crossed my mind. People type '****', I see it. Frankly, I'm not at all convinced I haven't seen that image used several times (that's why I went looking for it).

I was quite a bit pissed, to tell you the truth. I'm not a shit disturber and I didn't get so much as a warning. I was literally typing a post when the ban order went in and when I hit submit it told me I was banned.

Like I said in the FFB thread - this is a board that makes light of children being eaten by dogs, wishes AIDS on people and has an entire thread dedicated to the MS Paint modifications of hardcore porn. I think we ought use a little discretion in decided when to boot someone. Afterall, I can post this:

Spoiler!

With no repercussions but if I post a picture that says '****' in it, I get banned...because evidently '****' is going to get you in trouble with your boss whereas a 19 yr old dancing in her underwear won't.

Whatever, some mods are just jackasses, the end.

I'm spending more time over at shaggy bevo lately, and I don't even like Texas. Shit, all they do is complain about the SEC and aTm, and it's still a lot more entertaining than this place anymore.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Saul Too

I'm spending more time over at shaggy bevo lately, and I don't even like Texas. Shit, all they do is complain about the SEC and aTm, and it's still a lot more entertaining than this place anymore.

Those guys are straight up douchenozzles.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I dunno who, the why is because he's a bleeding vag.

I 'bypassed the profanity filter' when I posted the Jackie Chan shrugging picture that said "what the **** is this?" Some noob said something nonsensical in the 'new' gas price thread.

I disabled my profanity filter; it never even crossed my mind. People type '****', I see it. Frankly, I'm not at all convinced I haven't seen that image used several times (that's why I went looking for it).

I was quite a bit pissed, to tell you the truth. I'm not a shit disturber and I didn't get so much as a warning. I was literally typing a post when the ban order went in and when I hit submit it told me I was banned.

Like I said in the FFB thread - this is a board that makes light of children being eaten by dogs, wishes AIDS on people and has an entire thread dedicated to the MS Paint modifications of hardcore porn. I think we ought use a little discretion in decided when to boot someone. Afterall, I can post this:

Spoiler!

With no repercussions but if I post a picture that says '****' in it, I get banned...because evidently '****' is going to get you in trouble with your boss whereas a 19 yr old dancing in her underwear won't.

Whatever, some mods are just jackasses, the end.

People told me if I voted for a Republican for president that we'd get ridiculous censorship in America. And they were right!