Chiefs Piloi + High Character Players = Randy Moss To The Pats

**jAZ** · 01-30-2009, 10:36 PM

I wanted Randy Moss when he was market a couple of years ago. This place mostly hated Moss and thought he was a head case. I always thought he seemed like a generally good guy.

I have read one article after another talking about how Pioli is intent on building a team-first, high-character roster.

Then it occurs to me that Pioli traded for Moss.

He must have felt the same way about him, at the time. I'm not sure any of us knew at the time who Pioli was, or what his priorities were.

So my question is this...

Does Pioli's decision to trade for Moss cause you concern for his judgement?

Delano · 01-30-2009, 10:37 PM

How many off-the-field negative incidents has Randy Moss been involved in since signing with New England?

Hal McRae · 01-30-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Delano

How many off-the-field negative incidents has Randy Moss been involved in since signing with New England?

Agreed, Delano. Also, theory is the Patriots had so many "character players" in the locker room, that they could plug in a Randy Moss, who had some problems in the past, and not have him harm team chemistry.

The opposite of this would be Dallas, which collects low-character types at a alarming rates and regularly implodes.

bishop_74 · 01-30-2009, 10:39 PM

Sometimes ya gotta roll the dice! Turned of well too.

philfree · 01-30-2009, 10:47 PM

What have Randy's character flaws been through his career? I think he was immature when he first came into a league with his I'll give effort when I want attitude he displayed when he got shit for taking plays off.

PhilFree

**The Bad Guy** · 01-30-2009, 10:41 PM

It doesn't have one bearing on me what-so-ever.

You have to be confident in your coaching staff, and the enviroment they have developed.

If you have a strong foundation, regardless of who it is, won't tear the team down.

**jAZ** · 01-30-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It doesn't have one bearing on me what-so-ever.

You have to be confident in your coaching staff, and the enviroment they have developed.

If you have a strong foundation, regardless of who it is, won't tear the team down.

I'm not so sure a clearly bi-polar TO would have held up, even in the Pats system.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-30-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

I'm not so sure a clearly bi-polar TO would have held up, even in the Pats system.

Then they would have cut his ass the following year, but I can guarantee that team would keep rolling along like it never happened.

Amnorix · 01-31-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It doesn't have one bearing on me what-so-ever.

You have to be confident in your coaching staff, and the enviroment they have developed.

If you have a strong foundation, regardless of who it is, won't tear the team down.

I think that's right. Also, it was a low-risk (4th rounder), high-reward gamble.

**cdcox** · 01-30-2009, 10:45 PM

You have to evaluate your team and the "bad seed". Every (head) case has to be evaluated on its own merits. The Pats brought in one player of questionable attitude.

So the score is: Pats/Pioli +1

**DaFace** · 01-30-2009, 10:55 PM

Are you insinuating that he made a bad move by trading for Moss? I'm confused.

**jAZ** · 01-30-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

Are you insinuating that he made a bad move by trading for Moss? I'm confused.

Like I said, I liked Moss and didn't think he was the headcase that TO was. I thought Moss was worth the "risk" and felt we should have traded for him.

I was in the vast minority at the time.

Ultimately the Pats signed him and it worked out well for them.

Today we praise Pioli as a sort of genius. That same genius was the guy making the choice to sign Moss while we were trashing him.

I thought it was a good idea then. I still think it was a good idea today.

I guess it's a question for those who hated the idea for trading for Moss.

Do you stand corrected? Or do you consider it knock on Pioli (where he just got lucky)?

**DaFace** · 01-30-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Like I said, I liked Moss and didn't think he was the headcase that TO was. I thought Moss was worth the "risk" and felt we should have traded for him.

I was in the vast minority at the time.

Ultimately the Pats signed him and it worked out well for them.

Today we praise Pioli as a sort of genius. That same genius was the guy making the choice to sign Moss while we were trashing him.

I thought it was a good idea then. I still think it was a good idea today.

I guess it's a question for those who hated the idea for trading for Moss.

Do you stand corrected? Or do you consider it knock on Pioli (where he just got lucky)?

I guess, to me, he had the foresight to know that Moss had potential to return to his prior form. Regardless of what I thought at the time, that's a win in my book.

**Buehler445** · 01-30-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Like I said, I liked Moss and didn't think he was the headcase that TO was. I thought Moss was worth the "risk" and felt we should have traded for him.

I was in the vast minority at the time.

Ultimately the Pats signed him and it worked out well for them.

Today we praise Pioli as a sort of genius. That same genius was the guy making the choice to sign Moss while we were trashing him.

I thought it was a good idea then. I still think it was a good idea today.

I guess it's a question for those who hated the idea for trading for Moss.

Do you stand corrected? Or do you consider it knock on Pioli (where he just got lucky)?

Eh, If the Chiefs were built like the Pats, I probably would have been OK due to the results they got from previous dumbasses like Corey Dillon and Rodney Harrison.

But on the Chiefs, it would have likely been Raiders part II. I'd be hard pressed to be convinced KC would have gotten anywhere near the production NE did.

Portlantis · 01-31-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Eh, If the Chiefs were built like the Pats, I probably would have been OK due to the results they got from previous dumbasses like Corey Dillon and Rodney Harrison.

But on the Chiefs, it would have likely been Raiders part II. I'd be hard pressed to be convinced KC would have gotten anywhere near the production NE did.

I agree. Randy Moss would have been awful in KC. Yes, at his best Randy Moss is one of the best receivers ever. But Moss only plays up to his potential when he is surrounded by talent. As he showed in Oakland and on some bad Vikings squads, when his team is losing, Randy Moss just doesn't give a ****.

Do you really think Moss would have been a worldbeater playing in Mike Solari's run, run, pass, punt offense? It's far more likely he would have been nothing more than a second locker room cancer.

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