Rasslin is CHA CHA LA..LA,LA,LA,LA,LA

[Ultra Peanut]

RAW. IS. FANDANGO!
#AJALL

[Sfeihc]

Taker/HBK stole the show but given the card that isn't too surprising. Can one of you fine gentlemen please inform me what happened to Tazz?

[keg in kc]

His contract was up and he didn't sign a new one. Friday was his last show.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The MITB was decent, but it wasn’t really up to MITB standards. I’d say that it was probably 4^th or 5^th of the 5, with only the MITB from 23 possibly worse.

The Divas Battle Royal at least was out of the way early, but I’m surprised that it didn’t occur in the popcorn match slot.

I’m glad I downloaded it so I could skip past the Kid Rock “concert”.

The Jericho-Legends match was booked much better than I had hoped. I’m glad Austin didn’t come out, and Jericho deserved to go over, but they booked themselves into a corner

The Hardys’ match was pretty bad. It was a spot fest without any memorable spots, save for the Twist of Fate on the chair at the end.

The JBL-Mysterio match was pointless. As much as I hate JBL, wasting 5 minutes of time that could go to either main event (w/ entrances and the promo) was pretty pointless.

Michaels’ entrance, his hat, and the duster were the very definition of win. Great match, easily the match of the night. Funny thing about Shawn is that he always shows his stroke through match length

The Triple Threat Match was pretty blah. I just hate Triple Threats for the title.

The Main Event was pretty underwhelming. The crowd was dead and the finish basically came out of nowhere without any type of build. One of the worst WM ME’s I can remember, honestly, maybe the worst Main Event since 11.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Has Big Rock shown up to defend HHH yet?

[unothadeal]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Main Event was pretty underwhelming. The crowd was dead and the finish basically came out of nowhere without any type of build. One of the worst WM ME’s I can remember, honestly, maybe the worst Main Event since 11.

It was weird how it went:

Punt
Sledgehammer
Punches in the face
Pedigree
3 count

It was just......weird.

[unothadeal]

And how how much of a tool was Michael Cole when Austin was driving around the ring?

"Heeeeeeee's Baaaaaaack"

SHUT UP COLE

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by unothadeal

It was weird how it went:

Punt
Sledgehammer
Punches in the face
Pedigree
3 count

It was just......weird.

I know that they were rushed for time, but that's the fault of the dumbasses who gave Kid Rock carte blanche for 10 minutes and let SCSA have 55 beer bashes when the four turnbuckles is more than enough.

4 hours is more than enough time. And I'm sorry, but I really don't see any reason why WM ME's and semi-mains can't go for 25-30 minutes. They just need to strip the bullshit down to a bare minimum.

The Diva Battle Royal was pointless and just buried them (as if they needed any help doing that) as a division.

MITB was about the right length.
The Legends match was a fine length
The Hardy match was a good length but was too stop-start b/c of its spotty nature
HBK-Taker showed what you can do with 30+ minutes if you pace yourself correctly.
Both other MEs were too short.

Sometimes, I wonder if Creative is honestly ****ing reeruned. Look at the match lengths at WM X7 and tell me what went on too long? That show was the epitome of how to pace a PPV.

However, ever since 21, they've been completely unable to pace their title matches. Happened with the Cena-JBL match, the Triple Threat at 22, the Triple Threat at 24, and last night.

More importantly, one of the reasons why the crowd was dead for the finish was because they didn't want to see HHH go over.

I still want someone to explain to me how that was the right move "for the business" to have a 39 year old guy whose blown two quads and won 13 world titles go over clean in the ME against a guy who turned 29 last week and who has lost every high profile match he's had against said 39 year old, save for one (which was the 39 year old's 3rd match of the night).

It's just stupid.

Tonight's Raw is probably make-or-break for me for a while. If they continue the new year with this kind of dumbassery, I'll probably just do what I did after Michaels and Jericho had their blow off and Orton was hurt--tune out.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

This Week on RAW:

Triple H takes on three squads of Delta, no sells a belt of SAW rounds and an M203 to the chest, and kick-wham-pedigrees them straight to Arlington.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Here's a good one:

Let's briefly review the current state of WWE:

Top Champions: Cena and HHH

MITB Winner: CM Punk

IC Title: worthless

Tag Titles: somehow more worthless

ECW Title: negative worth

Entire Female Roster: a joke

So we have the same two guys on top from Wrestlemania 22, which by itself might not be a bad sign. Except that the top two heels in the company both got jobbed out. Rather than any of several guys in need of a push winning MITB, Punk is exactly where he was a year ago. All secondary titles are worthless but the US title. I say that based solely on booking, not personal opinion of current champs. The entire women's division was the setup for a punchline that made no one laugh (I hope).

Who did Wrestlemania 25 help? Who will fans now have a greater respect for and either see as a top guy for the first time, or at least get excited over buying tickets to see? Neither Cena, Hunter nor Taker made any new fans. The only guy who possibly came out better than he went in is Matt Hardy, and good for him. The biggest show of the year, with a single exception, managed to tread water and accomplish nothing. It will now take months for them to undo their own damage and rebuild their roster's credibility.

[otherstar]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

4 hours is more than enough time. And I'm sorry, but I really don't see any reason why WM ME's and semi-mains can't go for 25-30 minutes. They just need to strip the bullshit down to a bare minimum.

These two sentences detail exactly why I seldom watch pro wrestling anymore. The matches are too short, too unbelievalbe, and there is too much other junk going on. I guess growing up and watching Sunday Morning wrestling on Channel 41 when Harly Race was in his heyday ruined me.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Has Big Rock shown up to defend HHH yet?

Defend him from what? Winning? I would have liked seeing Orton win as much as anyone, but I don't know why anyone's surprised he didn't.

HHH usually wins. Like I've said before, you either roll your eyes and put up with it, or you find something else to do. I'm more bothered by the fact they had a shit match than who won.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by otherstar

These two sentences detail exactly why I seldom watch pro wrestling anymore. The matches are too short, too unbelievalbe, and there is too much other junk going on. I guess growing up and watching Sunday Morning wrestling on Channel 41 when Harly Race was in his heyday ruined me.

When I was a boy, we had to walk three miles uphill to get to school! Both ways!

(which is to say "things my grandpa would tell me for $500, Alex")

[okcchief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok I'm guessing he's over 6ft tall if he wasn't Mysterio would be like 4'10.

He might be 6'1 and mysterio is probably like 5 foot. I have a picture of my 5'4 wife towering over him lol.

[Ultra Peanut]

Straight-up lolllllllin':

Originally Posted by Gavok

Whether or not they're serious about this being the last real appearance of Austin, I kind of had to laugh at that whole farewell segment. Because back in Wrestlemania 3 they had a big farewell segment going on too. It was for Roddy Piper.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I know that they were rushed for time, but that's the fault of the dumbasses who gave Kid Rock carte blanche for 10 minutes and let SCSA have 55 beer bashes when the four turnbuckles is more than enough.

4 hours is more than enough time. And I'm sorry, but I really don't see any reason why WM ME's and semi-mains can't go for 25-30 minutes. They just need to strip the bullshit down to a bare minimum.

The Diva Battle Royal was pointless and just buried them (as if they needed any help doing that) as a division.

MITB was about the right length.
The Legends match was a fine length
The Hardy match was a good length but was too stop-start b/c of its spotty nature
HBK-Taker showed what you can do with 30+ minutes if you pace yourself correctly.
Both other MEs were too short.

Sometimes, I wonder if Creative is honestly ****ing reeruned. Look at the match lengths at WM X7 and tell me what went on too long? That show was the epitome of how to pace a PPV.

However, ever since 21, they've been completely unable to pace their title matches. Happened with the Cena-JBL match, the Triple Threat at 22, the Triple Threat at 24, and last night.

More importantly, one of the reasons why the crowd was dead for the finish was because they didn't want to see HHH go over.

I still want someone to explain to me how that was the right move "for the business" to have a 39 year old guy whose blown two quads and won 13 world titles go over clean in the ME against a guy who turned 29 last week and who has lost every high profile match he's had against said 39 year old, save for one (which was the 39 year old's 3rd match of the night).

It's just stupid.

Tonight's Raw is probably make-or-break for me for a while. If they continue the new year with this kind of dumbassery, I'll probably just do what I did after Michaels and Jericho had their blow off and Orton was hurt--tune out.

I've seen several people argue that H had to go over because of the way it was built. Basically if he doesn't go over he looks like a doofus and a bad husband they can't have him lose the way that match was built.

I'd like to add that's the 2nd Mania mainevent that Triple H has killed a crowd..if that was anyone else they'd have said "ok time to move on" but with H they'll say "Um uh give him a new opponent"