Dolphins working on a trade for offensive tackle Branden Albert

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Branden Albert trade won’t happen unless he lowers his price
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 21, 2013, 6:46 PM EDT
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The much-discussed potential trade of Branden Albert from the Chiefs to the Dolphins doesn’t appear likely at the price Albert is currently seeking.

Although the Chiefs and Dolphins can probably agree on compensation — the Dolphins sending a second-round pick to Kansas City — the hangup is that Albert wants the kind of money that the Dolphins aren’t willing to spend. Specifically, according to Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports, Albert wants between $8 million and $9 million a year on a long-term deal.

In other words, Albert is looking for the same kind of contract that left tackle Jake Long got from the Rams — the very contract the Dolphins wouldn’t give Long, which is why he left Miami for St. Louis.

If the Dolphins weren’t willing to pay Long that kind of money, it’s hard to see why they’d be willing to give up a second-round draft pick for the privilege of paying Albert that kind of money. So the Dolphins may need to look elsewhere for a left tackle. And Albert may have to settle for playing this season for the Chiefs, making $9.8 million, and hitting free agency next year.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by philfree

If there's nothing on the line then sure. Less of man? This has nothing to do with being a man but whatever.

Or for ****'s sake we've both danced this dance for years.

No, I don't know you personally. No, when I say this, and I will, I don't mean it to hurt you personally or demean you.

Unless I really do because I won a bet, and then you're wrong, and I'm rubbing it in and collecting unicorn urine and punching Leprechauns in the face to remember the moment...

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

On what basis is anyone declaring Reid a QB whisperer?

I'm not declaring Andy Reid anything.

It's just funny how people can declare Reid good at handling QB's in one sentence and in the next they cuss the Chiefs for being foolish for not taking Geno Smith.

either you believe in Reid when it comes to Quarterback or you don't ... choose a position.

Seems rather contradictory to say 'we have a great QB coach in Andy Reid so we need to take a QB'

We duh ... if Reid is so great then shouldn't he know which QB to take and when?

Hell ... if you don't believe it Reid then continue your rants.


but the inconsistency is interesting

[O.city]

Andy obviously sees something in Alex to think he can excel in his offense. I'm excited about that as I'm actually higher on Alex than most here.

At this point, just get what you can out of Albert. If he's wanting that type money, get younger and cheaper with higher upside.

But like has been mentioned, I expect the LT we take to be as good or better than Albert righ tout the gate.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

isn't it the same for any player they pick at 1.1

With what we are giving up, and the impact of the position Joeckel plays KC's draft slot demands it. A QB,Pass Rusher,DB, and WR have a little leeway because of the impact they have and the growth to create game changing influence . Now if Joeckel was a 10-15 selection it would be a little more lax for him to develop. It's the cruel truth with the position he plays and what he is billed as. Joeckel is the most pro ready OT with excellent technique and flawless footwork according to most experts, Thus if he isn't elite out of the gate which means his rookie and second years of play then he is a bust.


He must be a HOF quality OT plain and simple, and due to he's protecting a glass QB.

[O.city]

HOF? Nah not quite that yet.


Top 10 at his position with room to grow? I don't think that would be too much to ask.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Once again - he'd better be right.

He's elected to go with Alex Smith and Fisher/Joeckel over Geno Smith and Albert.

He'd better be right. Once again, this is the bed he's made for himself.

yep, if he screws this up he will be on the hot seat pretty quickly

passing on a QBotf will get you fired
trading for a QB that sucks will get you fired
trading good talent and failing to replace it will get you fired


Reid and Dorsey are hitting most of the 'will get you fired' keys this offseason

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You're arguing 'upside' as if it's there and tangible. It's not. This isn't about upside. It's about making the best of a draft that's weak and volatile at the top. If this was the 2012 draft, the Chiefs would take Andrew Luck and worry about the LT position later. It's not, though. It's the 2013 draft, and the consensus seems to be that there's no QB worth taking at #1, nevermind a generational prospect like Luck.

So the best way to proceed in a shitty draft is to trade proven commodities for draft picks...

I mean a boat is a boat, but the mystery box could be anything...even a boat! I'll take the mystery box.

Congratulations, guys. Peter Griffin is running the show.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Rausch

He'll never throw 25 TD's.

End of story.

Deep down we both know it's not happening...

I think that's a bit of a reach.

If Cassel can throw 27 TDs in 15 games, Smith can throw 27 playing for Reid.

[O.city]

I'm actually expecting close to 30 from Smith, in Reid's offense, with the weapons we have.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by O.city

HOF? Nah not quite that yet.


Top 10 at his position with room to grow? I don't think that would be too much to ask.

Yep, it can't be a lateral move or it would be like we never had a 1st round pick. If he was picked in the 10-15 range development would be allowable, with his billing he'll have to be an OT God or the pick was a waste.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

With what we are giving up, and the impact of the position Joeckel plays KC's draft slot demands it. A QB,Pass Rusher,DB, and WR have a little leeway because of the impact they have and the growth to create game changing influence . Now if Joeckel was a 10-15 selection it would be a little more lax for him to develop. It's the cruel truth with the position he plays and what he is billed as. Joeckel is the most pro ready OT with excellent technique and flawless footwork according to most experts, Thus if he isn't elite out of the gate which means his rookie and second years of play then he is a bust.


He must be a HOF quality OT plain and simple, and due to he's protecting a glass QB.

You are a ****ing invalid.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I thought you were fairly high on Alex Smith?

I am just not way down on Alex Smith.

I think Smith is probably going to be in the 12-18 range among starting QBs. I'd bet he's probably closer to 12 than 18 when all is said and done.

I think Smith's a credible NFL quarterback that's probably worth about what his contract is paying him...but not said contract and potentially 2 2nd rounders.

In being risk averse, Reid and Dorsey actually took a far more risky approach than they would have by simply sticking with Albert and drafting Geno. In the process they've cost themselves significant draft leverage and upside.

I've said that was can dislike this approach without disliking Alex Smith. Smith's a solid veteran QB. This was still a poor way to address this off-season.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Or for ****'s sake we've both danced this dance for years.

No, I don't know you personally. No, when I say this, and I will, I don't mean it to hurt you personally or demean you.Unless I really do because I won a bet, and then you're wrong, and I'm rubbing it in and collecting unicorn urine and punching Leprechauns in the face to remember the moment...

LOL I didn't take it that way it just seemed silly to me.

[keg in kc]

Alex Smith's more likely to throw 20 picks than he is to throw 30 TDs.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I am just not way down on Alex Smith.

I think Smith is probably going to be in the 12-18 range among starting QBs. I'd bet he's probably closer to 12 than 18 when all is said and done.

I think Smith's a credible NFL quarterback that's probably worth about what his contract is paying him...but not said contract and potentially 2 2nd rounders.

In being risk averse, Reid and Dorsey actually took a far more risky approach than they would have by simply sticking with Albert and drafting Geno. In the process they've cost themselves significant draft leverage and upside.

I've said that was can dislike this approach without disliking Alex Smith. Smith's a solid veteran QB. This was still a poor way to address this off-season.

Fair enough.

Although, I think he has the ability to get into the top 10, which IMO, is good enough.

Frankly, I think a top 15 or so QB anymore is good enough