If not #1, where?

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I don't know why you think I'm against taking Geno with the #1 pick. I've never said it. I've been on the Geno bandwagon from the start of the season. (Look at post #14 on the Geno Smith fans roll call thread.)

I never said you were against drafting Smith.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

What I have said is that based on Reid's draft history

The highest pick Reid has ever had was #2 overall. He took a QB.

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

based on what Clark has said

Clark said there isn't a QB HE thinks is worth the #1 pick. He ALSO said that he's basically just a fan and scouting players wasn't his job.

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

based on what Reid has said

Reid said his IDEAL situation is to have a QB in here Day 1 that he can mold into his system, aka drafting a QB.

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

based on what Dorsey has said

So far, all we've heard from Dorsey is standard, canned introductory press conference rhetoric.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by ChefBoyRDEE

Andy is a master of trading down and accumulating picks, Geno is not the answer at #1, the team needs LOTS of players

a no brainer in my mind

more realistic that Andy trades for Kevin Kobb and accumulates draft picks to stock the whole roster and then keeps his eye out for another franchise QB

AFTER he drafted McNabb #2 overall, which was a reach in my mind at the time because McNabb was awful had he not run for so many first downs & TD's in college. When he started playing under Reid, we heard how Reid coached McNabb hard to stop with the tuck and run. Reid made McNabb into a pocket passer, but it took 5 years before McNabb finally became a disciplined QB at this level under Reid's WCO system. Then, the accuracy began to show.

I've heard from more than one person Reid is not a guy that spends his time with draft boards and selections. Reid does his own board, discusses players with the staff and lets his GM do his thing. I'm sure he's going to do the same now.

The Chiefs need a guard, CB, WR and with Geno, they are good for 2013. It ain't gonna happen overnight. But to say Reid isn't going to go after a young QB #1 is just wrong. He did. He will again and Geno has more of those skills that Reid needs than McNabb ever had.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

AFTER he drafted McNabb #2 overall

There you go injecting reality into the conversation again.

What the hell is wrong with you?

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

There you go injecting reality into the conversation again.

What the hell is wrong with you?

well damn

[oldman]

What are most teams willing to trade up for? A QB, plain and simple. So if there's no QB worth the #1 pick, what makes you think we'll have any trading partners?

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by oldman

What are most teams willing to trade up for? A QB, plain and simple. So if there's no QB worth the #1 pick, what makes you think we'll have any trading partners?

Exactly.

And no one is going to give up picks for a LT.

[ChiefBoyRDEE]

might be a package deal that includes players, etc.

if you really think Geno at #1 then so be it but i'd then call you a dope, otherwise the best option is to trade out of #1 and aim for more picks

e.g. how about trading with the 49ers for Alex Smith and a bunch of their picks? you then ride Alex for a year or two while you find and groom "the guy", probably even get a QB with the Niners pick

not saying that's the one but something creative like that, a "Reid like move", check his draft record and you will see many trades like this although to be fair they didn't involve the top pick

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by ChefBoyRDEE

might be a package deal that includes players, etc.

if you really think Geno at #1 then so be it but i'd then call you a dope, otherwise the best option is to trade out of #1 and aim for more picks

e.g. how about trading with the 49ers for Alex Smith and a bunch of their picks? you then ride Alex for a year or two while you find and groom "the guy", probably even get a QB with the Niners pick

not saying that's the one but something creative like that, a "Reid like move", check his draft record and you will see many trades like this although to be fair they didn't involve the top pick

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by ChefBoyRDEE

might be a package deal that includes players, etc.

if you really think Geno at #1 then so be it but i'd then call you a dope, otherwise the best option is to trade out of #1 and aim for more picks

e.g. how about trading with the 49ers for Alex Smith and a bunch of their picks? you then ride Alex for a year or two while you find and groom "the guy", probably even get a QB with the Niners pick

not saying that's the one but something creative like that, a "Reid like move", check his draft record and you will see many trades like this although to be fair they didn't involve the top pick

how about you fist yourself to death....and send us a gif of it

[ChiefBoyRDEE]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

how about you fist yourself to death....and send us a gif of it

my god, the intellect on here is truly intimidating

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by ChefBoyRDEE

might be a package deal that includes players, etc.

if you really think Geno at #1 then so be it but i'd then call you a dope, otherwise the best option is to trade out of #1 and aim for more picks

e.g. how about trading with the 49ers for Alex Smith and a bunch of their picks? you then ride Alex for a year or two while you find and groom "the guy", probably even get a QB with the Niners pick

not saying that's the one but something creative like that, a "Reid like move", check his draft record and you will see many trades like this although to be fair they didn't involve the top pick

I came accross this and negrep your ass. Anyone to suggest Alex Smith gets neg hit over the head.

Spoiler!

[ChiefBoyRDEE]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I came accross this and negrep your ass. Anyone to suggest Alex Smith gets neg hit over the head.

i think that is very fair, i deserved that for not being more diligent in my example

i actually don't mean that we should get Smith, just pointing out a scenario, probably short have used Kolb as the example, don't like him either but...



feel free to negrep some more

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by ChefBoyRDEE

i think that is very fair, i deserved that for not being more diligent in my example

i actually don't mean that we should get Smith, just pointing out a scenario, probably short have used Kolb as the example, don't like him either but...



feel free to negrep some more

Anything to suggest a retread QB is just stupid. Stupid man. I was trying to be nice I just can't take it especially an Alex Smith for this team.

We need to draft our own QB to groom and take us over the top with. Who knows if Geno Smith will work out but I'd like us to try with him as it's something we havn't done in over 30 years. I like what I have seen and the kid is coachable & is ready to learn how to be great. Change our past we change our future with picking a QB like Geno Smith with our number one pick. It is that simple.

[ChiefBoyRDEE]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Anything to suggest a retread QB is just stupid. Stupid man. I was trying to be nice I just can't take it especially an Alex Smith for this team.

We need to draft our own QB to groom and take us over the top with. Who knows if Geno Smith will work out but I'd like us to try with him as it's something we havn't done in over 30 years. I like what I have seen and the kid is coachable & is ready to learn how to be great. Change our past we change our future with picking a QB like Geno Smith with our number one pick. It is that simple.

i agree 100% with what you want to do, my belief is that you can get that guy further down in the draft AND other picks as well

OR

you can decide to go, e.g. the Kolb route, and then get that new QB guy next year while you build the rest of the team this year and use a vet QB who knows Reid's system in the meantime


what i don't want to do is waste the value of the #1 pick on a QB that you could get anyway at, e.g. #7 and then have an additional 2nd round pick, etc.


what is so bad about this scenario?


trade with the Cards by swapping #1 and #7 in the 1st round where we take Geno plus we get Kolb and the Cards 2nd round pick?

Kolb can then help groom Geno and teach him Reid's offense, etc. and Geno can start later in 2013 once the O Line is stable and everyone knows who to block, etc. in the new scheme ; much better than throwing Geno in there to get his head taken off early, dash his confidence, etc.